EPTOn June 22 2014 02:19 goody153 wrote:
no link of crazy successful rapier games anyone ?
no link of crazy successful rapier games anyone ?
There was that one game where xboct got 3 rapiers before getting a satanic or anything
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
There was that one game where xboct got 3 rapiers before getting a satanic or anything | ||
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wuhan_clan
United States5609 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:21 DwD wrote: Eh? They came 2nd in Dreamhack, then 3-0'd Alliance like a day or something later... Feels like they are on the upswing Um... what are you smoking/drinking/injecting? This is June 2014. Are you sure you are watching the same team? I'll admit that this is the best Fnatic has looked since late 2013/early 2014 but keep in mind they were trash-tier AWFUL just a few months ago. | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:21 DwD wrote: Eh? They came 2nd in Dreamhack, then 3-0'd Alliance like a day or something later... Feels like they are on the upswing Fnatic looked terrible at Dreamhack. That is why their 3-0 of Alliance was so surprising | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:21 DwD wrote: Eh? They came 2nd in Dreamhack, then 3-0'd Alliance like a day or something later... Feels like they are on the upswing They lost in the 1st round at DH. Consistency issues have plagued them for ages. But they have no skill ceiling, when playing their best game, there is no team in the world they can't win against. | ||
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GaribaldiSC2
Spain709 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:21 DwD wrote: Eh? They came 2nd in Dreamhack, then 3-0'd Alliance like a day or something later... Feels like they are on the upswing Lol, no, they didnt end 2nd in Dreamhack. C9 did | ||
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weiliem
2071 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:16 DwD wrote: Am I crazy or have Fnatic gone from a mid tier team to top tier with the addition of Xcalibur? Seems like they are winning a lot of games lately with him in the lineup. I don't think they are playing better with Xcalibur but they are playing a different style that isnt conventional styles that teams are used to be facing. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:23 wuhan_clan wrote: Um... what are you smoking/drinking/injecting? This is June 2014. Are you sure you are watching the same team? I'll admit that this is the best Fnatic has looked since late 2013/early 2014 but keep in mind they were trash-tier AWFUL just a few months ago. Trash tier ? I know DK fans love being hyperbolic but that's just stupid. Fnatic is a top EU team and has been since last year. | ||
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bourne117
United States837 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:21 DwD wrote: Eh? They came 2nd in Dreamhack, then 3-0'd Alliance like a day or something later... Feels like they are on the upswing They got knocked out of Dreamhack really fast. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:20 bluzi wrote: you have to agree that he opens up more options for them Draft wise.... other teams used to band Wisp against Fnatic , now they worry about Wisp/Tinker/Meepo as first ban material which is what makes a team strong (must ban non meta heroes). Not discrediting Excalibur just i would credit the other 4 more for the success than more than excalibur. He did extremely well but that is under the condition that fnatic roster supports him very well. Yeah the drafting advantage is the winning formula. Remember pre-TI3 and TI3 time on why alliance was insanely good. It's because of the LD + NP draft advantage. If you ban those you give away s4 heroes. I think it's very similar to what fnatic is doing right now. | ||
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
There you go (whoever asked). | ||
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rhythmrenegade
Belgium201 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:19 goody153 wrote: no link of crazy successful rapier games anyone ? also features bulba on tinker. | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
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goody153
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:20 bluzi wrote: you have to agree that he opens up more options for them Draft wise.... other teams used to band Wisp against Fnatic , now they worry about Wisp/Tinker/Meepo as first ban material which is what makes a team strong (must ban non meta heroes). But who knows what teams would've wanted to ban against them if they'd been bootcamping for a month with Era. Certainly Xcalibur is working out great for them. I just don't think we can really say which version of the team would be better in the same circumstances. Anyway, I think the real test will be whether Fnatic can practice enough different drafts in time for TI4. I'm cautiously optimistic, but we'll see. You can't expect a ton of flexibility early on with a standin, but they're gonna need it before too long. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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bourne117
United States837 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:25 goody153 wrote: Not discrediting Excalibur just i would credit the other 4 more for the success than more than excalibur. He did extremely well but that is under the condition that fnatic roster supports him very well. Yeah the drafting advantage is the winning formula. Remember pre-TI3 and TI3 time on why alliance was insanely good. It's because of the LD + NP draft advantage. If you ban those you give away s4 heroes. I think it's very similar to what fnatic is doing right now. Basically fnatic has just started going 4 protect 1 with excalibur it seems. They are playing well with it but I think they are also pigeonholed because of him to an extent. Give the other teams some time to really look at how they are playing now and I think they will not look nearly as good which is sad because Fnatic is my second favorite team | ||
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:18 weiliem wrote: The one where he refused to buy satanic and went 2nd and 3rd rapier instead. Yup. Or bfly even as I recall would've been okay? But no. "Second rapier? Okay, fine. But NOW you're gonna get that defensive item, right? Oh." | ||
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wuhan_clan
United States5609 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:25 Otolia wrote: Trash tier ? I know DK fans love being hyperbolic but that's just stupid. Fnatic is a top EU team and has been since last year. What does being a DK fan have anything to do with it? Fine "trash tier" is too harsh but "top tier" is exaggerating just as much. Fnatic is like a less consistent version of C9 (who already are inconsistent). At their best they can beat any team in the world. At their worst they lose in the most idiotic/spectacular fashion. For a team like Fnatic, more often that not, they are not performing. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On June 22 2014 02:28 Pyrthas wrote: But who knows what teams would've wanted to ban against them if they'd been bootcamping for a month with Era. Certainly Xcalibur is working out great for them. I just don't think we can really say which version of the team would be better in the same circumstances. Anyway, I think the real test will be whether Fnatic can practice enough different drafts in time for TI4. I'm cautiously optimistic, but we'll see. You can't expect a ton of flexibility early on with a standin, but they're gonna need it before too long. well , getting god level on a hero is what makes ppl ban it against you regardless of the meta , i dont think Era wouldve become god tier on some heroes (as he never did during his all time playing with Fnatic) just by boot camping. ill agree with goody here , it reminds me of the must ban phase vs Alliance during TI3 , which gives Fnatic the option to do as they like | ||
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