This hero is literally broken as a roamer pos 4. Equivalent to free maphack and invis, then comes with a jump that gives 40% slow + oov. It requires team to give you farm priority later on though, so it might be harder to pull off in pubs.

Also have a "fissure" spell that is the entire kit of earthshaker before blink.

Jutranjo

Slovenia140 Posts

December 16 2016 01:27 GMT

#24

Batrider is pretty good at finding him and destroying his trees. Blink on top of him with firefly stuns him for 4 seconds if he's trying to run.

Salmacis

France44 Posts

December 16 2016 07:36 GMT

#25

48% winrate on a new hero is pretty insane. I remember Arc Warden getting 35% the first week of release. And AW turned out to be incredibly strong and received huge nerfs every patch.

cuckoo

595 Posts

December 16 2016 11:56 GMT

#26

How are you guys countering him? And I don't mean the destroying trees thingy. Sure that seems important, but I don't know good cores against him.

Drow? Viper? I think maybe PL and Ench are good against him aswell?

For me, the most broken thing about the hero right now is the lifesteal. It shouldn't even exist, being 50% makes it kinda absurd really

Birdie

New Zealand4438 Posts

December 16 2016 12:18 GMT

#27

On December 16 2016 20:56 cuckoo wrote:
How are you guys countering him? And I don't mean the destroying trees thingy. Sure that seems important, but I don't know good cores against him.

Drow? Viper? I think maybe PL and Ench are good against him aswell?

For me, the most broken thing about the hero right now is the lifesteal. It shouldn't even exist, being 50% makes it kinda absurd really

Mostly just play against him like he's a really scary ursa-like hero, so perma-stun him and kite him. Don't let him hit you unless you're ursa yourself (ursa >>>>>>> Mk 1v1). Understand his skillset, e.g. juke side to side to dodge his Q, don't let him hit you multiple times, don't stand in his ultimate.

LemOn

United Kingdom8629 Posts

December 16 2016 13:46 GMT

#28

Just fast burst heroes like Ursa, PA, Spectre is also really good later Monkey will kill his own team with dispersion damage in his ulti

LemOn

United Kingdom8629 Posts

December 16 2016 13:46 GMT

#29

It gets really gay if they pick stuff like Dazzle though

Ayaz2810

United States2763 Posts

December 16 2016 14:24 GMT

#30

This dude is definitely OP, but people suck ass at playing him. I've seen one guy use him to his full potential, and he destroyed the other team. I think the game ended with him like 18-1. His ult is absurd in a big teamfight, and it does so much damage. He seems fun, but definitely broken if not countered properly.

Sbrubbles

Brazil5776 Posts

December 16 2016 14:54 GMT

#31

I feel the thing about this hero is that he's really really weak when caught out. No escape skills and his stand-your-ground-and-manfight skill (his ult) doesn't do as much in those first few seconds as something like Eclipse.

I said this in the other thread, but I really hope they nerf his attack range or reduce his base movement speed, because his ability to run people down lv 2 is bullshit, the rest is fine imo.

Pontual

Brazil3038 Posts

December 16 2016 15:31 GMT

#32

On December 16 2016 23:24 Ayaz2810 wrote:
This dude is definitely OP, but people suck ass at playing him. I've seen one guy use him to his full potential, and he destroyed the other team. I think the game ended with him like 18-1. His ult is absurd in a big teamfight, and it does so much damage. He seems fun, but definitely broken if not countered properly.

Ferrari_430 finished a game 34/2 yesterday, playing offlane. it was funny seeing 50 - 12 and he having 34 kills in 25~min

DazzleEnthusiast

United States72 Posts

December 16 2016 16:15 GMT

#33

I honestly got so messed up when I laned against a treant protector, I never felt safe against his QW combo, it was a little embarrassing to say the least

Buckyman

1364 Posts

December 16 2016 16:29 GMT

#34

On December 16 2016 20:56 cuckoo wrote:
How are you guys countering him?

2x Force Staff

Salmacis

France44 Posts

December 16 2016 21:08 GMT

#35

Certainly not ench. Unless you like getting one-shotted by his Q. A go-to anti MK hero is clock. Decent HP pool, blademail user, rocket to scout tree shenanigans, if you hit him with a rocket when he's atop a tree, you get an easy hook since he can't move for three seconds, he has no escape inside your cogs and he doesn't like to build f-staff. His ult cast point his ridiculously long, battery assault will prevent it.

Erasme

Bahamas15899 Posts

December 16 2016 21:26 GMT

#36

u can just right click the ground if ur on top of a tree
Hero is broken
Only hero that could so somehting against him is bat

fourthirds

Canada132 Posts

December 16 2016 22:48 GMT

#37

Any long DOT wrecks him and makes it so he can't get into the trees. Also, he has pretty shitty AOE overall I played a couple games against him last night, one versus viper and clock and another vs lycan and visage. All of them had good ways to make sure I couldn't just blast away into trees easily. MK is much better on the attack than on defense - jingu sustain takes a couple seconds to kick in, which really sucks if you get initiated on first.

the bear jew

United States3674 Posts

December 17 2016 16:17 GMT

#38

Just laned solo vs this hero, what a over powered bullshit it was.

Murlox

France1699 Posts

December 17 2016 20:02 GMT

#39

Reading some of the comments here, I feel like you could say the same about basically any hero in dota. Just imagine some of these heroes were just released :

OD : omg I get astraled all the time, I can't do ANYTHING, and he also gets last hits with it because is dmg in AOE. Also he has free mana. lulz.

Clockwerk : omfg you can't cast anything with his BS battery assault. No skill hero, just runs at you and GG. Then hookshot you from fog. Cogs are broken as fuck, you just can't fight.

Riki : like, this guy is always invisible. You don't even know if he's in lane. How is that balanced, srsly?! Invulnerable during his ult too, because why not.

VS : so this support gets a reliable stun, a fucking scaling dmg aura AND she can basically swap your core every team fight, winning the game. WP OSfrog.

Faceless void : so if he ults your whole team dies. That's like giving black hole to a fucking core. On a shorter CD. Smart thinking. There's no counter to that, if the game gets late, you will lose. Please remove.

And so on. There are juicier ones, too. Slark, Jugg, PA, zeus. Om nom nom.

So yeah MK is strong, a lot of heroes are. Learn his patterns, even better, play him for a couple of games. You'll see he has weaknesses, too.

Frogstomp

United States125 Posts

December 17 2016 20:46 GMT

#40

On December 18 2016 05:02 Murlox wrote:
Reading some of the comments here, I feel like you could say the same about basically any hero in dota. Just imagine some of these heroes were just released :

OD : omg I get astraled all the time, I can't do ANYTHING, and he also gets last hits with it because is dmg in AOE. Also he has free mana. lulz.

Clockwerk : omfg you can't cast anything with his BS battery assault. No skill hero, just runs at you and GG. Then hookshot you from fog. Cogs are broken as fuck, you just can't fight.

Riki : like, this guy is always invisible. You don't even know if he's in lane. How is that balanced, srsly?! Invulnerable during his ult too, because why not.

VS : so this support gets a reliable stun, a fucking scaling dmg aura AND she can basically swap your core every team fight, winning the game. WP OSfrog.

Faceless void : so if he ults your whole team dies. That's like giving black hole to a fucking core. On a shorter CD. Smart thinking. There's no counter to that, if the game gets late, you will lose. Please remove.

And so on. There are juicier ones, too. Slark, Jugg, PA, zeus. Om nom nom.

So yeah MK is strong, a lot of heroes are. Learn his patterns, even better, play him for a couple of games. You'll see he has weaknesses, too.

Imagine if they released Tiny as a new hero today. OMG ava/toss combo insta-kill so OP. Takes rax in 5 secs can't do anything icefrog pls nerf

MK is def very strong right now and will likely get some nerfs...but I don't think he's especially broken or OP. I think if you take a little bit of damage or even just back-load the scaling of Jingu, and maybe raise the mana cost of his Q and W, the hero becomes significantly less strong and can't snowball in the laning phase. That, and maybe jingu charges should have a timer on them...or at least have some visual indicator for opponents letting them know that MK has jingu charges available

Effective ways of dealing with him that I've seen are chain disables (he's relatively squishy if you can prevent him from getting the 50% lifesteal from jingu), flying vision/tree clear (bat rider, timber, beast master), urn of shadows (can't hop into trees during fight), and force staff