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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
I don't know how this game went for you. I may have opted for dagon because your team doesn't have the burst to kill anyone. I'd think dagon Agha or dagon bkb would be decent choices. But also the only way you were to win was to abuse your 5 man. So maybe my suggestion isn't that good. Hmm. Yea if your team built a pipe, and you went bkb Shiva halberd? What was your problems in teamfights anyway? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Your team wants a Pipe to finish just before Spectre's Radiance. This nullifies Spectre's Radiance timing and allows you to break a lane with the advantage. Alternatively, you get a very early Sheep + Gem and basically play a map control game to starve the Spectre until you get another major item. In this case, your team has to play very disciplined to not go high ground, but it's also very safe because the other team has very little ability to countergank you or punish you for farming. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
Should the game drag on without you managing to finish, shivas is fine. Agh and heart would be reasonable too. Not a fan of skadi. But game is probably quite hard if it reaches the point where you can start picking up multiple 5k items. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On September 18 2014 19:37 Kreb wrote: While not something I would normally advocate, with those lineups I'd definitely say you should focus quite heavily on early game items that helps you win early clashes and helps you push. You got the mek, standard and definitely a good choice. The items I would look towards after that are drums, pipe, necro book. If you can communicate with your team and have any other builder of those items in your team (dno if drums treant was planned or if he just built it randomly), exclude those. A pipe on pudge and necro3 on you with drums on you/treant seems ideal to me. Shaman/Warlock will both want to go the Agh/Refresh route. Should the game drag on without you managing to finish, shivas is fine. Agh and heart would be reasonable too. Not a fan of skadi. But game is probably quite hard if it reaches the point where you can start picking up multiple 5k items. No to drums please.... | ||
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
I usually leave the Dagon at level 1 unless I get 6 slotted in which case I'll upgrade it. | ||
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Varth
United States426 Posts
I personally think if you are getting farm (mid or safelane farmer) then you would be nuts to not go mek before dagon. An early mek on a necro is one of the strongest early pushs in the game with all that healing and survival and allows you to take T1s with pretty much complete impunity. Your team can snowball very well off all that tower gold and generally just starve the other team and win. Blink is damn good though, definitely a must pickup, but I'd get it after boots mek and blademail personally | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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juracule
292 Posts
I feel like it is a pretty bad spell, and that the +8 stats do a lot more for him. | ||
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Germany4057 Posts
On December 07 2014 20:19 juracule wrote: Opinions on skipping Aura entirely (or perhaps taking one value point)? I feel like it is a pretty bad spell, and that the +8 stats do a lot more for him. im low level but i always thought his aura is pretty insane. when fights are a bit longer the damage adds up pretty quickly and its a huge aoe damage. | ||
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juracule
292 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On December 06 2014 12:35 DucK- wrote: I like atos rush and leaving mek to someone else. I think its better that way. Dagon 5 is very good on necro. Eh that item is good on any hero actually. I also like Atos rush, gives you everything you need. After that I am going for Eul and Blink combo, and you feel really tanky and mobile, you also have nice CC spells from Eul and Atos and with the right timing of Eul + Blink you can escape almost in any situation. On December 07 2014 20:19 juracule wrote: Opinions on skipping Aura entirely (or perhaps taking one value point)? I feel like it is a pretty bad spell, and that the +8 stats do a lot more for him. Aura is doing huge damage in teamfights if you position well so you are not taken down easily. In the early game I am almost always getting one level of aura, especially good against melee heroes. Few days ago I saw a guy maxing aura early, I laughed at first, but literally nobody could stand against him on the lane, the damage is really insane for something that is passive, you are melting with almost any hero. It is probably some fun and not so serious build but I have a feeling that it could work and that aura is underestimated by majority of players. On December 07 2014 20:31 juracule wrote: If fights are lasting a bit longer you should be winning that fight anyhow because of Death Pulse and Sadist keeping you and your teammates up. The biggest problem necro faces imo is getting quickly burst down (and mana problems if he aint getting sadist procs). Theoretically yes, but it works a bit differently in practice. Sometimes you can't just jump in and spam death pulse as you will be easily focused down and aura is doing quite a bit of work. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On December 07 2014 20:31 juracule wrote: If fights are lasting a bit longer you should be winning that fight anyhow because of Death Pulse and Sadist keeping you and your teammates up. The biggest problem necro faces imo is getting quickly burst down (and mana problems if he aint getting sadist procs). It sounds like you are team fighting in a way that either nets you a 5-0 victory over the enemy team, or the same for them to you (0-5). What I mean is that it sounds like you are out of position. Unless you absolutely have to initiate, stay back. Let your aura do work. Make them jump on your terms. When you jump in, they shouldn't have all their spells up to burst you. 1v1 or 1v2 is different, but 5v5, you should not be the one jumping in first. edit: you guys just made me want to play necro | ||
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Xypski
Denmark156 Posts
On December 07 2014 20:19 juracule wrote: Opinions on skipping Aura entirely (or perhaps taking one value point)? I feel like it is a pretty bad spell, and that the +8 stats do a lot more for him. Don't skip aura it's the source of the majority of Necros hero damage | ||
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
On December 08 2014 02:35 Xypski wrote: Don't skip aura it's the source of the majority of Necros hero damage Not defending the build but there's a difference between overall hero damage and hero damage that actually does something useful. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's definitely worth it over Stats most of the time, though I can see a few points Stats over ranks 2-4 in some really shitty game where you're poor and dying a lot, so the Aura doesn't get consistent long-duration value. | ||
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Varth
United States426 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 09 2014 03:04 Comeh wrote: Also Fear's necro involves relying on soulring for mana rather than sadist, he goes 4-4-0-1, which is interesting, though I'm not sure I really like it. Definitely interesting though (soul ring probably underrated considering this hero sometimes doesn't have mana for ult at level 11, especially if you have a mek.) Reaper's gives you a guaranteed Sadist kill, so that's also effectively giving up 240 HP in a fight (more if you have to use SR to cast something). 4-4-0-1 is significantly more damage, but it's also a survivability hit that changes how you play in fights. | ||
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