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rob.au
1087 Posts
If you are going to buy drums etc... then you should commit early so that you can make the most of it. Of course there are probably some rare scenarios where abandoning radiance is the right thing to do, but if you are doing it often then you are probably doing something wrong. | ||
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Corr
Denmark796 Posts
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rob.au
1087 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On August 02 2014 02:45 Corr wrote: The thing about Vanguard Spectre is that people are not that used to playing against it. They often don't know just how much they have to commit to bringing her down/don't have enough CC/nuke, paired with phase boots and dagger you can survive a lot of midgame skirmishes or make the enemy overextend when they attempt to gank you. Its also super nice to be able to farm the jungle when shit is getting real in the lanes with vanguard. Though, I like the idea of casual RoH into a later refresher. I like that a lot. | ||
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Surprise.820
United Kingdom1276 Posts
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
Oh and by the way, Spectre + Silencer is a wicked global combo. Global Silence makes teams scatter like rats and synergizes with Desolate like you wouldn't believe. Combine that with Diffusal on Spectre and Aghs on Silencer and even if they do live they are completely dry on mana. And if it gets REALLY late you can grab RFO on both Spectre and Silencer and it's like a global instant win button. All you need is a good initiator and you can pretty much 3v5. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On August 02 2014 15:44 Skyro wrote: Yeah that's what I've been trying to say, I just don't think the benefits of a Vanguard is worth delaying your big items unless your team is steamrolling and the game will end regardless. You can closely mirror Vanguard's effects with PMS + RoH + Vit Booster even if you did need the early tankiness. Oh and by the way, Spectre + Silencer is a wicked global combo. Global Silence makes teams scatter like rats and synergizes with Desolate like you wouldn't believe. Combine that with Diffusal on Spectre and Aghs on Silencer and even if they do live they are completely dry on mana. And if it gets REALLY late you can grab RFO on both Spectre and Silencer and it's like a global instant win button. All you need is a good initiator and you can pretty much 3v5. Did it before :D Think it was a double or triple kill. Me and my pal Silencer just decided to press 3 buttons. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
it feels like you dont just get double the effect but more. the first ult scratches them but the second brings alot of them to citical health. you can almost do sth else while your team cleans up. first i thought it would be just "a bit more aoe". its not. its really really strong. | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On September 07 2014 15:40 Invictus wrote: i've been recently playing this hero alot, so just to ask if anyone knows there any good players that i can watch so i can learn from them? I realise that i can't contribute as much if i tried to go radiance first, so i want to see how much i differ from other spectre players.. Nothing much to learn spectre from replays. You need to know that desolate is a very powerful spell, you should never get rank 2 dispersion until level 12. The skill build matters a lot because spectre is shitty enough early on, and how you skill her heavily affects your impact in the early game. Skill build aside, its just basic farming and carry skills. You can also have a sense on how much HP items you should be getting. I like urn a lot, but many games I go straight radiance because I know I can afford to. | ||
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Aceace
Turkey1305 Posts
Also there is nothing wrong going PT/Phase>drum>Radiance. Drum costs roughly 2k. (which you should farm in 4 minutes.) Doing something different then pressing R is priceless. Especially in pub games your team most likely requires your assistance in teamfights and drum makes it doable. | ||
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
Her first skill already gives 0 collision and extra MS so PB barely adds anything. Spec DPS output relies heavily on desolate. PT optimizes desolate output while PB doesn't. PT versatility might be at best for spectre. PT agi when casting haunt, PT str when tanking, and PT int when she needs to cast dagger or haunt. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
On September 08 2014 21:47 Snakesneaks wrote: I don't understand why phaseboot instead of powertread for spec. Her first skill already gives 0 collision and extra MS so PB barely adds anything. Spec DPS output relies heavily on desolate. PT optimizes desolate output while PB doesn't. PT versatility might be at best for spectre. PT agi when casting haunt, PT str when tanking, and PT int when she needs to cast dagger or haunt. i almost always go treads, they are the perfect boots for her. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
oov+treads > oov+phase | ||
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
If your team has ample lockdown then Treads + max Desolate will provide superior DPS. | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
On September 09 2014 08:45 Skyro wrote: The logic for Phase is that it is better in chasing scenarios, which will be the majority of scenarios in regards to Spectre as he's glass early on and is only going to Haunt in to try to secure sure kills. Similar logic as to why some max Spectral Dagger first over Desolate. If your team has ample lockdown then Treads + max Desolate will provide superior DPS. phase also helps spectres weak laning a lot more than treads does early, especially if ur bad like me | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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