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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 26 2014 05:57 GMT
#19821
On November 26 2014 14:52 icystorage wrote:
website feedback is literally after blogs

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/website-feedback/

We have blogs?
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
November 26 2014 08:59 GMT
#19822
On November 26 2014 14:57 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 14:52 icystorage wrote:
website feedback is literally after blogs

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/website-feedback/

We have blogs?

You never scrolled down to the bottom of the site?
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LSF
Profile Joined April 2012
469 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-26 15:32:02
November 26 2014 15:29 GMT
#19823
Just played a game where we had an Bane vs. a PL. The enfeeble symbol stayed on the real PL when he used doppelganger, which brought an easy kill for us. Is that a bug or is it supposed to work like that?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 26 2014 15:30 GMT
#19824
its definitely supposed to work like that
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LSF
Profile Joined April 2012
469 Posts
November 26 2014 15:35 GMT
#19825
On November 27 2014 00:30 Sn0_Man wrote:
its definitely supposed to work like that


Does it work like that with all buff/debuff symbols? And with different kind of illusions also?

Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-26 15:48:17
November 26 2014 15:44 GMT
#19826
Many debuffs are purged by doppelganger (or at least by most illusion creation skills like naga's mirror image and the item manta style, I can't speak directly to doppelganger since it's so new. I guess I could check the wiki).

However, enfeeble used to be super shitty cuz you'd put it on a carry lategame and they would just press manta or BKB and keep hitting you for full damage since it purged off enfeeble. So Icefrog made it unpurgeable, and persistant through bkb.

buff effects only ever play on units that they actually effect, and illusions aren't created with the buffs or debuffs of their parent hero.
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LSF
Profile Joined April 2012
469 Posts
November 26 2014 15:48 GMT
#19827
thanks for the explanation. Geez, I've played about a thousand matches and this game still confuses the shit out of me sometimes.
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
November 26 2014 18:18 GMT
#19828
so i played my first 3 games as necro and of course i won all of them. now my question:

what do you build on him?
all 3 games were rather easy so i went wand -> 0treads -> mek -> dagon or wand -> treads -> midas -> dagon.


obviously aghs is good on necro when game goes late but rather than that i have no clue what to go.
bloodstone? maybe shivas?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 26 2014 18:30 GMT
#19829
Dagon's pretty gimmicky. The item that really defines Necro's peak is Shiva, and everything else more or less revolves around that. Heart, Sheep, Agha, etc. can all fill in somewhere depending on the game.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-26 18:41:52
November 26 2014 18:40 GMT
#19830
On November 27 2014 00:44 Sn0_Man wrote:
buff effects only ever play on units that they actually effect, and illusions aren't created with the buffs or debuffs of their parent hero.


Does that apply to stat drain debuffs like Slark, Undying, and Timbersaw? I know the illusions don't get the debuff, but are they created based on current str/agi/int?
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-26 19:39:49
November 26 2014 19:39 GMT
#19831
On November 27 2014 03:18 75 wrote:
so i played my first 3 games as necro and of course i won all of them. now my question:

what do you build on him?
all 3 games were rather easy so i went wand -> 0treads -> mek -> dagon or wand -> treads -> midas -> dagon.


obviously aghs is good on necro when game goes late but rather than that i have no clue what to go.
bloodstone? maybe shivas?


Proscene isnt the same as pubs we play but a lot of western pros allways seem to buy treads+blink+bkb on him no matter what the itembuild and teamcomp, so i guess thats core in the western proscene atm.

2 examples from datdota :
C9.EE likes : 2rop+treads+rod of atos+blink+bkb+maybe shiva or aghs (feels like a tanky build)
TT.QQ likes : treads+midas+dagon+blink+bkb+aghs+refresher (feels like a killing build, less forgiving higher the gains)

I think a midas on necro isnt a bad choice because necrophobos doesnt fall off after a certain timing and he gets alot more game impact with more networth. So, if you have the opportunity to start with an early midas (before you finish the treads) then i would certainly go for it no matter what items you buy after.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 26 2014 19:40 GMT
#19832
There should be rules about strategy answers in this thread
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
November 26 2014 19:57 GMT
#19833
On November 27 2014 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
There should be rules about strategy answers in this thread

Yeah I feel like people are frequently deviating from the purpose of the thread. This is a perfect example because that should have been posted in the Necrophos thread.
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l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-26 20:00:18
November 26 2014 19:57 GMT
#19834
There isn't a single hero in the game who you ALWAYS get BKB on. Whether you need BKB or not is much more dependent on team comps and the overall game state than what hero you are playing. Also BKB is more valuable in proscene because they can actually chain their CC properly.

IMO the best items on Necro are the ones that slow enemies and add tankiness - namely Shiva's, Atos, and Skadi. Necro wins fights by out-sustaining people, and that's what these items do - mitigate enemy DPS, allowing you to tank as much as possible.

Blink, BKB, and Aghs are of course great items on him as well.

EDIT sry if I'm breaking the rules
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 26 2014 20:30 GMT
#19835
On November 26 2014 17:59 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 14:57 Nevuk wrote:
On November 26 2014 14:52 icystorage wrote:
website feedback is literally after blogs

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/website-feedback/

We have blogs?

You never scrolled down to the bottom of the site?

No... I got to community/general and assume it's all other TL sites past that.

In order to make this vaguely relevant I think BKB may not be gotten every game on a hero but that's game dependent, not hero dependent. If your opponents are entirely physical or have nothing besides bkb piercing spells then it would be silly to make one, but Sven/Slardar are going to want one most games.
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
November 26 2014 20:54 GMT
#19836
On November 27 2014 04:57 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
There should be rules about strategy answers in this thread

Yeah I feel like people are frequently deviating from the purpose of the thread. This is a perfect example because that should have been posted in the Necrophos thread.

im sorry guys. didnt know the site isnt able to find the Necrophos thread when you search "necro"
thanks for the answers anyways
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 27 2014 00:28 GMT
#19837
On November 27 2014 05:54 75 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 04:57 FHDH wrote:
On November 27 2014 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
There should be rules about strategy answers in this thread

Yeah I feel like people are frequently deviating from the purpose of the thread. This is a perfect example because that should have been posted in the Necrophos thread.

im sorry guys. didnt know the site isnt able to find the Necrophos thread when you search "necro"
thanks for the answers anyways

You can find links to hero threads at
http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-strategy/454922-ld-hero-thread-index

Unless you're trying to find oracle.


Anyways, necrophos lyte - http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-strategy/454976-hero-necrophos
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-27 00:46:49
November 27 2014 00:44 GMT
#19838
On November 27 2014 04:57 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
There should be rules about strategy answers in this thread

Yeah I feel like people are frequently deviating from the purpose of the thread. This is a perfect example because that should have been posted in the Necrophos thread.

There's some leeway because most of the non-strategy questions are shit that people can test on their own, which they should be doing, so if we enforced both strictly this thread would get like 1 legit question every 3 months.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
November 27 2014 17:40 GMT
#19839
why is invoker never picked in pro games? i dont watch much dota but i haven't seen an invoker game for like a year

/just started playing invoker
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-27 20:35:51
November 27 2014 20:35 GMT
#19840
On November 28 2014 02:40 FFGenerations wrote:
why is invoker never picked in pro games? i dont watch much dota but i haven't seen an invoker game for like a year

/just started playing invoker

vg won their last major lan with black^ on splitpush invoker

resolution hasn't been playing mid, dendi hasn't been picking invoker, arteezy and envy both have super questionable invokers, ig's been slumping, ddz got shamed out of dota, h4nni can't find a team... puppey hasn't been picking s4 invoker, nobody on teamtinker plays it...

idk i think wex is strong this patch and exort is fine with sunstrike setup from the sidelanes (shadow demon, sand king, idk), but there's a lot of cores considered strong nowadays, it's nothing like mid 6.79 era when invoker was actually in the first ban phase for a lot of teams
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