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govie
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 28 2014 05:53 govie wrote: I think that if valve buffs the clockwerk cogs to their old state, exort invoker could maybe make a comeback without making him overpowered. exort invoker is perfectly runnable without clockwerk; i don't even consider clockwerk a top tier sunstrike setup unlike shadow demon | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On November 28 2014 05:56 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: exort invoker is perfectly runnable without clockwerk; i don't even consider clockwerk a top tier sunstrike setup unlike shadow demon Interesting, i liked picking clockwerk in combination with global abilities, maybe i should consider other options more often. Of the newer dota heros lc could maybe synergize well. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
On November 28 2014 05:35 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: vg won their last major lan with black^ on splitpush invoker resolution hasn't been playing mid, dendi hasn't been picking invoker, arteezy and envy both have super questionable invokers, ig's been slumping, ddz got shamed out of dota, h4nni can't find a team... puppey hasn't been picking s4 invoker, nobody on teamtinker plays it... idk i think wex is strong this patch and exort is fine with sunstrike setup from the sidelanes (shadow demon, sand king, idk), but there's a lot of cores considered strong nowadays, it's nothing like mid 6.79 era when invoker was actually in the first ban phase for a lot of teams cool reply. i think invoker is awesome, the only reason u wudnt pick him is u dont want the stress and shame of knowing u cud have played better. most heroes , even puck (who i've now got from 15% winrate to 65% and feel reasonably fluid with in shit mmr), feel relatively stressfree. i only played invoker 2-3 days now and reckon if i become fluent it would be amazing. but u see pros pick 1-button heroes like void (when he suddenly became popular) and they make so many obviously shitty panic plays (void is one of my common heroes and watching some pros do stuff you know is panic moves, like chrono when you dont need to, or not chronoing when you should have, using timewalk at short distance because of panic etc) is really sad. so why don't people in particular like to play invoker? its still 100x easier and less frustrating than playing/learning broodwar btw is it just me or has general dota population skill risen by like a massive amount in the last 6 months? im playing at 2.3k mmr right now (dropping due to casual play) and its like the players are as good as 3.3k players if not a lot better on average. it might just be that the difference between mmr is really not that big to begin with people are also a lot nicer on average i feel. idk if its because the latest patch made dota seem super casual (ez to comeback/stay in game without being depressed. games are super long and come down to buyback, then no one really cares who won because they "done their job" and just dont have a buyback, so they dont feel like shit afterwards) edit: you bottle on invoker? i dont think the ingame guides recommend it but i fucking love bottle on every hero. if not for yourself but for healing /mana teammates is rediculous | ||
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Veklasa
Antigua/Barbuda3 Posts
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
E:nvm edited already | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 28 2014 06:02 govie wrote: Interesting, i liked picking clockwerk in combination with global abilities, maybe i should consider other options more often. Of the newer dota heros lc could maybe synergize well. oh yea, lc bat and void are all pretty good for holding someone in place for sunstrike when you watch a good exort invoker though, they'll follow up almost any stun across the map with a sunstrike, not just big ultimates | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Ryder.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Yurie
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Jisira
470 Posts
I always tend to go 1-4-1-1, even going 1-4-4-2 and going stats over stun. For three skill points you get 0.3 seconds of stun (and 225 damage) meaning that you surviving the swap offers more to the team than 225 damage. It's definitely flavour and I get situational deserved flak for it - but I trade 225 damage and 0.3 seconds on the stun for 114 HP, ~0.86 Armor and 78 mana. Most of the time, I take that trade. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
anyway i'm just posting because the puck in that game took a pretty meta skillbuild and i wanted to share it with you + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hBvMbRm.jpg) | ||
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Buckyman
1364 Posts
Pick offs - Q > W > E Small Skirmishes - W = Q > E Teamfights - W > E > Q Pushing - E > W >> Q Jungling + Roshan - W > E >> Q Escape - Q > W = E tl'dr : Q is for ganking, E is for pushing, W is for everything else. @FFGenerations: I think you wanted the QQ thread. However, in case you actually meant the question you asked, KotL and IO are very good at keeping your teammates from 4-manning mid, by dragging them to another lane. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 29 2014 19:10 Yurie wrote: Support venge often gets under-levelled in competitive due to how swap works. This means that you won't have howl maxed when it is time to rosh if you go stun max first. You also won't have it when 5 man starts. A marginally better stun isn't as good as max howl or aura in mid game scenarios. Midgame 5-mans actually make Missile better than Wave UNLESS VS dies in the swap. People consider the singular effect of each spell, but Missile's CD is so short that unless the fights are burst-damage dependent and end almost immediately when someone gets burst down (which favors Missile anyway because Missile maximizes your burst damage), you will usually get a 2nd Missile in the fight, and possibly a 3rd at the tail end when cleaning up the fight. Wave only starts to pick up with a significant source of physical damage, but if you're not level 9/10 by then, that's a problem. Wave is absolutely the best skill if VS is going to die every fight because the effect duration is so long that it persists long after she dies (aura drops when you die and you can't throw more stuns when you're dead). But personally, I'm, only comfortable playing in such a sacrificial manner in stacks/arranged play. I wouldn't play that way in pubs. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
So its basically trollface. And its also banned on teamliquid and sub-sites  | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
I see most people max Q first but I find that maxing W first is stronger for ganks. Though I suppose maxing Q is better for multicast at level 7. | ||
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