If you manage to sit at the pit and sloooooooooooooooooowly whittle away at Rosh with wards for >2-3min without enemy noticing they deserve to lose it.

nojok

France15846 Posts

December 02 2014 11:59 GMT

#19887

How to deal with bloodseeker + zeus? We were winning, mostly due to the fact their bloodseeker was jungle but their zeus got his dagger, BS got some points in bloodrage then it was unwinnable, even with decent initiation zeus damage were too much for us to handle.

Jotoco

Brazil1342 Posts

December 02 2014 12:02 GMT

#19888

Does veno ulti turns lethal inside oracle's ulti?

12ozSkilletDota

United States76 Posts

December 02 2014 15:42 GMT

#19889

On December 02 2014 21:02 Jotoco wrote:
Does veno ulti turns lethal inside oracle's ulti?

It does kill them if the damage from it does more damage than the heals he receives. So in most situations it will be lethal.

BluemoonSC

SoCal8933 Posts

December 02 2014 16:21 GMT

#19890

On December 02 2014 20:59 nojok wrote:
How to deal with bloodseeker + zeus? We were winning, mostly due to the fact their bloodseeker was jungle but their zeus got his dagger, BS got some points in bloodrage then it was unwinnable, even with decent initiation zeus damage were too much for us to handle.

someone has to get a pipe and your carries need bkbs.

Comeh

United States18919 Posts

December 02 2014 17:35 GMT

#19891

How does urn, salve, and bottle interact with taking damage in Oracle's ult?

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

December 02 2014 18:45 GMT

#19892

All are broken properly, as is Blink put on CD.

However, Heart isn't put on CD, Bristleback and Mjollnir Static Charge don't trigger, Blademail and Dispersion don't reflect damage, and Lifesteal fails to steal HP from the False Promised target.

Basically triggered heal/damage prevention interactions with "trigger on damage" effects are super inconsistent and the only ones that work properly are the ones they fixed for TA's release cuz Refraction would be super broken if they didn't.

fdsdfg

United States1251 Posts

December 02 2014 19:59 GMT

#19893

Are there any general rules on which debuffs Manta style removes? It's not clear to me which do and don't get removed

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

December 02 2014 20:03 GMT

#19894

There isn't really an obvious rule of thumb
the closest is probably "Most silences, slows and hexes are dispellable"
and then "Most stuns, AoE/channels, and transformations are not dispellable"
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Dispel contains a nice list of things that do and don't get purged by "normal dispels" which includes manta

Things like abbadon shield, tide kraken shell and slark dark pact are not considered normal dispels btw.

I should also note that manta also makes you invincible for a very brief period of time and as such it is possible to avoid projectiles like assassinate, even if the ability doesn't in any other way interact with manta, or dispels in general at all.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

December 02 2014 20:14 GMT

#19895

Tbh dispel rules are one of the things Valve unintentionally made more complicated in DotA 2.

fdsdfg

United States1251 Posts

December 03 2014 00:44 GMT

#19896

Thanks. And yeah, I was happy to see in the last patch that they made magic immunity more straightforward for when it prevents the damage and/or effect - I was sick of having to alt-tab and search all the enemy heroes to see which abilities BKB will work against. It stinks the same can't be said for dispells, but what can you do.

And yeah, reading that wiki page it seems like there are 3 levels of effects (weak, strong, immune) and 2 levels of dispel (weak, strong). It's just a matter of learning which is which.

icystorage

Jollibee19350 Posts

December 03 2014 00:50 GMT

#19897

you can manta out of hex? O.o i thought items are muted during hex

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

December 03 2014 01:09 GMT

#19898

On December 03 2014 09:50 icystorage wrote:
you can manta out of hex? O.o i thought items are muted during hex

you can't manta out of hex but sources of "Normal dispel" remove hex. Manta is a source of "normal dispel" but can't actually be activated in hex. If you could somehow manta while hexed it would remove the hex, but you can't.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

December 03 2014 01:13 GMT

#19899

Manta and Purge don't follow the same dispel rules, so I would be careful lumping them together, which you seem to be doing calling them "normal dispel".