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On August 25 2014 03:20 LeLoup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 03:07 BluemoonSC wrote:
what is the interaction between PA and daedalus? for that matter, what is the exact interaction between multiple critical chances (e.g. 2x daedalus, drunken brawler + crit stick, etc)? Each crit is checked independently of one another and then whichever crit is highest damage is applied. So if you have level 3 Coup de Grâce and a Daedalus it'll check to see if the 15% chance from Coup de Grâce procs and then it'll check the 25% chance for Daedalus. Both can proc on the same hit, but the damage from the highest one is the only one that will be applied.
so the crit chance and dmg don't stack, each hit has an individual chance to proc either?
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On August 25 2014 03:30 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 03:20 LeLoup wrote:On August 25 2014 03:07 BluemoonSC wrote:
what is the interaction between PA and daedalus? for that matter, what is the exact interaction between multiple critical chances (e.g. 2x daedalus, drunken brawler + crit stick, etc)? Each crit is checked independently of one another and then whichever crit is highest damage is applied. So if you have level 3 Coup de Grâce and a Daedalus it'll check to see if the 15% chance from Coup de Grâce procs and then it'll check the 25% chance for Daedalus. Both can proc on the same hit, but the damage from the highest one is the only one that will be applied. so the crit chance and dmg don't stack, each hit has an individual chance to proc either?
Yes and in case both proc for the same hit, the one with the higher multiplier will be used.
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On August 25 2014 03:58 AwfuL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 03:30 BluemoonSC wrote:On August 25 2014 03:20 LeLoup wrote:On August 25 2014 03:07 BluemoonSC wrote:
what is the interaction between PA and daedalus? for that matter, what is the exact interaction between multiple critical chances (e.g. 2x daedalus, drunken brawler + crit stick, etc)? Each crit is checked independently of one another and then whichever crit is highest damage is applied. So if you have level 3 Coup de Grâce and a Daedalus it'll check to see if the 15% chance from Coup de Grâce procs and then it'll check the 25% chance for Daedalus. Both can proc on the same hit, but the damage from the highest one is the only one that will be applied. so the crit chance and dmg don't stack, each hit has an individual chance to proc either? Yes and in case both proc for the same hit, the one with the higher multiplier will be used.
is there any math behind whether or not it's a cost effective item for PA? i saw one get picked up earlier and questioned the decision to get it.. especially instead of finishing her abyssal blade
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On August 25 2014 01:41 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 22:02 CrtBalorda wrote:
Is it even possible to do a quad jungle stack with normal pulling? a few camps are easier than others. for example, the dire hard camp near your tier 2's is really easy to get 5+ stacks by pulling northeast. the radiant hard camp near their mid tier 2 is also pretty easy to get 5+ stacks on.
And radiant medium camp next to t1 is impossible to stack even once ;(
Or at least it feels that way.
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You can get it to stack once by pulling around 55 ish up the steps, pretty much impossible to stack past that though. Not sure if you can stack if the satyr camp has spawned due to the way the ranged creeps make an attack before chasing, though you could probably just kill the ranged creeps first and then stack easily enough. Maybe you could get 2.5 stacks that way
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Crit will be the biggest damage increase item for the 2nd big item onwards for most heroes, pa included
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Is the bonus damage from impetus multiplied by crit?
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i return to the sqsa thread with this answer
no.
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On August 25 2014 06:26 Kupon3ss wrote:
Crit will be the biggest damage increase item for the 2nd big item onwards for most heroes, pa included
you mean PA excluded? Crits don't stack. She will crit more often, sure, but its incredibly wasteful.
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On August 25 2014 16:27 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2014 06:26 Kupon3ss wrote:
Crit will be the biggest damage increase item for the 2nd big item onwards for most heroes, pa included you mean PA excluded? Crits don't stack. She will crit more often, sure, but its incredibly wasteful.
On PA big damage items are Butterfly, MKB and Abyssal. What do you get first depends greatly on what do you need. Abyssal first might be the least common of those as relic is kinda troublesome to farm in many games.
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actually abyssal is the most common because of how important basher is on a hero with 0 lockdown. bfly is a luxury because she already has good attack speed and evasion and mkb is decent for damage but it is really only gotten for true strike. abyssal not only increases damage but it provides pa with a much needed disable. as soon as she has a bkb and one form of lifesteal (vlads or hotd), abyssal should be her go to item
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On August 25 2014 18:22 evilfatsh1t wrote:
actually abyssal is the most common because of how important basher is on a hero with 0 lockdown. bfly is a luxury because she already has good attack speed and evasion and mkb is decent for damage but it is really only gotten for true strike. abyssal not only increases damage but it provides pa with a much needed disable. as soon as she has a bkb and one form of lifesteal (vlads or hotd), abyssal should be her go to item
yeah, this is how I envision a PA. the one in my game felt differently apparently XD. then again, she was complaining most of the game so i shouldn't be surprised.
thanks guys!
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You guys do realize that Daedalus is 25% chance to crit on most heroes and still has a 21.25% chance to crit on PA right?
Like its really still an amazing damage item although obviously it isn't the first choice. Obviously BKB/Abyssal/Satanic all have their niches too and i'd go as far as to say abyssal is always better than Daedalus but that really isn't the point.
Kupo meant exactly what he said lol.
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It's still the best for damage
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On August 25 2014 23:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
You guys do realize that Daedalus is 25% chance to crit on most heroes and still has a 21.25% chance to crit on PA right?
Like its really still an amazing damage item although obviously it isn't the first choice. Obviously BKB/Abyssal/Satanic all have their niches too and i'd go as far as to say abyssal is always better than Daedalus but that really isn't the point.
Kupo meant exactly what he said lol.
but it is the point, considering the context this is coming from. read back a bit when i asked about the math behind completing the abyssal vs getting a daedalus.
there is a raw damage increase (just the number) vs opportunity damage, which is why i don't think that daedalus is a good 2nd big item for her. BKB -> abyssal -> satanic, IMO. gotta be able to do the damage and i don't think daedalus helps in that department. since she has a crit already, there are much better options.
plus, abyssal, bkb, and satanic give her a little extra strength which is always nice for an agi hero. again, IMO.
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nobody is saying you should actually go crit on her aside from for the lulz, but it doesn't change the fact that crit is the second most efficient damage item in the game on PA apart from rapier ofc
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On August 26 2014 00:06 Kupon3ss wrote:
nobody is saying you should actually go crit on her aside from for the lulz, but it doesn't change the fact that crit is the second most efficient damage item in the game on PA apart from rapier ofc
then why, when asked about completing abyssal vs daedalus would you say "daedalus is the best damage increase for PA" only to say "don't actually get crit on her, do it for the lulz"
Simple Questions, Cryptic Answers -_-
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On August 25 2014 04:16 BluemoonSC wrote:
is there any math behind whether or not it's a cost effective item for PA? i saw one get picked up earlier and questioned the decision to get it.. especially instead of finishing her abyssal blade
On August 25 2014 06:26 Kupon3ss wrote:
Crit will be the biggest damage increase item for the 2nd big item onwards for most heroes, pa included
Simple question, simple answer.
If its good or not wasn't really in the question. It's definitely "cost effective" damage. Damage is often the wrong purchase.
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You're deliberately misreading Kupon's answer. He said that crit is the "biggest" damage increase. Which is entirely correct.
He made no statements about whether it's actually a good item choice, only a totally neutral statement about the numerical gain in raw damage output.
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