EPTOften time, players on my team will do stupid shit and feed making the game unplayable - how do you prevent people from doing that?
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amyamyamy
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Often time, players on my team will do stupid shit and feed making the game unplayable - how do you prevent people from doing that? | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On December 13 2017 21:08 amyamyamy wrote: I really enjoy DotA as a game but there's a re-occuring problem I hope you guys can help me with. Often time, players on my team will do stupid shit and feed making the game unplayable - how do you prevent people from doing that? if you are asking a genuine question and are not just venting, you need to be the source of POSITIVE MENTAL ATTITUDE. do not start arguments in your team. if others are arguing, try to calm them down. complement good plays. avoid making any comment on bad plays. this will reduce but not eliminate the risks of someone ruining the game on your team. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
sometimes you will just have to give them their hero, concede the role, and get what you can from the game. in hero selection, keep it to one or two good reasons as to picking another hero. i believe if you show that you care and explain something ahead of time, people are less likely to full tilt and completely ruin the possibility of having a game. eg. you concede the carry role to play lane support, explain that you can't/don't have the skill to protect drow or luna in lane vs their heroes but will try anyway. ask for help from the other lanes, try and be encouraging like, "hang in there, i'll stack so you can catch up." if even after this effort they act poorly, then you've done pretty much all you can and give them a full mute. sometimes you just wanna keep talking to a low and enjoy the game that way but are forced to communicate to make the teamplay portion less frustrating. it all starts with saying stuff like, "i think...", "let's try..." and keeping the passive aggressiveness low. at least don't contribute any more of it and gang up on people. yes people are going to simply suck and deserve the flak sometimes, but everyone is at a different point of practicing. very few people actually are looking to lose. don't give people an excuse to protect their ego over a game, and just sacrifice your game once in a while. much better than seeing people yell at each other and wasting even more time. Often time, players on my team will do stupid shit and feed making the game unplayable this also goes both ways. you make bad plays, they are also making bad plays. make sure your team understands this, accepts that it happens and that it's an opportunity. it's okay, we can still win. etc. | ||
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amyamyamy
76 Posts
On December 13 2017 23:05 ahswtini wrote: if you are asking a genuine question and are not just venting, you need to be the source of POSITIVE MENTAL ATTITUDE. do not start arguments in your team. if others are arguing, try to calm them down. complement good plays. avoid making any comment on bad plays. this will reduce but not eliminate the risks of someone ruining the game on your team. I never start arguments. Even if people are not playing properly or ruining the game, I dont say anything - partly because I have no interest in interacting with such disgusting pieces of shit and partly because it isnt constructive. But there doesnt seem to be a way to eliminate game-ruiners from playing with you, so I guess DotA isnt worth my time which is a shame because I think it's a great game but it seems to attract a lot of people you really dont want to have anything to do with. | ||
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Jisira
470 Posts
On December 16 2017 23:39 amyamyamy wrote: I never start arguments. Even if people are not playing properly or ruining the game, I dont say anything - partly because I have no interest in interacting with such disgusting pieces of shit and partly because it isnt constructive. But there doesnt seem to be a way to eliminate game-ruiners from playing with you, so I guess DotA isnt worth my time which is a shame because I think it's a great game but it seems to attract a lot of people you really dont want to have anything to do with. First of all, why do you come to the SQSA thread to vent? We have other threads for that. Secondly, if you don't enjoy playing DotA because you have to play together with people who all have different ideas of what the game is, how to play it and how to handle obstacles then you should consider three things. 1 - Do you like DotA? You need to choose how to spend your free time. If you feel like the people you have to play with are "disgusting pieces of shit" then an option is to not play DotA. 2 - Are you sure you like DotA? Add friendly people, ask if they want to stack. Look for people to play with in other forums than inside DotA. Until you find those people, mute everything and only do you. 3 - Try playing games that eliminate the idea of teammates so you don't run the risk of having to play with someone who might ruin your game. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
On December 16 2017 23:39 amyamyamy wrote: I never start arguments. Even if people are not playing properly or ruining the game, I dont say anything - partly because I have no interest in interacting with such disgusting pieces of shit and partly because it isnt constructive. But there doesnt seem to be a way to eliminate game-ruiners from playing with you, so I guess DotA isnt worth my time which is a shame because I think it's a great game but it seems to attract a lot of people you really dont want to have anything to do with. Your comment screams negative mental attitude, its not just about saying nothing, (it obviously is better than cursing and raging at ur teammates) but part of it is trying to make ur teammates games easier. Like always looking to tp to mid as soon as he gets gone on if ur a support, or correctly picking a safelane that does well vs the offlane (gives better confidence to the team that ur winning ur lane and puts less pressure for a support to baby sit you) sometimes the best move isnt the most efficient move especially if u find urself in toxic pubs where people are prone to rage, you'll find that tping to a fight as invoker probably isnt as "smart" of a move if u had just stayed mid and pushed the tower, but if ur team has been losing fights just come to it turn it into a 4v4 than a 3v4 you'll be suprised to find just having more heroes in a fight it goes better... That being said you have accept that there are some players who are trolling or upset from stuff outside of ur current game and they might just throw a courier down mid spawn and walk to feed. Yea those games are pretty much unwinable and ofc not to any fault of ur own. It sucks yeah but everyone has those games but they rarely happen (yes its rarely...theres no way its happening like even 1 in 5 games not even close) Dota attracts people with egos a bit like chess, and especially when its a team game ur ego (everyones ego) is obviously going to influence ur opinion. Youre asking for advice so im assuming u understand the concept above that u cant save every toxic person from raging but you can influence players to not have an excuse to rage, cater to ur team pick the support if u have to byy the smoke buy the wards and sents instead of the energybooster for manaboots not only have the tp but actively look TO tp, give ur safelane a ward, pick a hero that can pressure the offlane or a favourable matchup so there is something postive going on, and if there isnt a favourable matchup then go help that lane if u have to, pick a supprt to stun or heavy nuke, a support that can move around the map, if someone is jungling give them a ward let them take the bounty and tell them hey lc have this rune and he will probably feel better and later on agree to ur smoke ( u creating an opportunity for him) the list goes on.... Its about ur teammates being teammates help them to help you. If your still just angry about that one game in 50 or 100 where he had ZERO reason to rage and feed down mid and u think the game isnt worth it then fine, its definitely time to quit but i have to say there isnt going to be much for you...because all games have some random piece that can just screw up the game or make it way harder. If you enjoy the game ull know its not about winning every game but improving so you dont lose a game that you could have won | ||
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I always followed the rule that you hit a creep once pre-preemptively if your damage is below 70 or above 80. However lately my CSing has been way more inconsistent. Did any of the 7.07 patches change the way you should CS under a tower now? | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
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amyamyamy
76 Posts
On December 19 2017 08:24 Shock710 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 16 2017 23:39 amyamyamy wrote: I never start arguments. Even if people are not playing properly or ruining the game, I dont say anything - partly because I have no interest in interacting with such disgusting pieces of shit and partly because it isnt constructive. But there doesnt seem to be a way to eliminate game-ruiners from playing with you, so I guess DotA isnt worth my time which is a shame because I think it's a great game but it seems to attract a lot of people you really dont want to have anything to do with. Your comment screams negative mental attitude, its not just about saying nothing, (it obviously is better than cursing and raging at ur teammates) but part of it is trying to make ur teammates games easier. Like always looking to tp to mid as soon as he gets gone on if ur a support, or correctly picking a safelane that does well vs the offlane (gives better confidence to the team that ur winning ur lane and puts less pressure for a support to baby sit you) sometimes the best move isnt the most efficient move especially if u find urself in toxic pubs where people are prone to rage, you'll find that tping to a fight as invoker probably isnt as "smart" of a move if u had just stayed mid and pushed the tower, but if ur team has been losing fights just come to it turn it into a 4v4 than a 3v4 you'll be suprised to find just having more heroes in a fight it goes better... That being said you have accept that there are some players who are trolling or upset from stuff outside of ur current game and they might just throw a courier down mid spawn and walk to feed. Yea those games are pretty much unwinable and ofc not to any fault of ur own. It sucks yeah but everyone has those games but they rarely happen (yes its rarely...theres no way its happening like even 1 in 5 games not even close) Dota attracts people with egos a bit like chess, and especially when its a team game ur ego (everyones ego) is obviously going to influence ur opinion. Youre asking for advice so im assuming u understand the concept above that u cant save every toxic person from raging but you can influence players to not have an excuse to rage, cater to ur team pick the support if u have to byy the smoke buy the wards and sents instead of the energybooster for manaboots not only have the tp but actively look TO tp, give ur safelane a ward, pick a hero that can pressure the offlane or a favourable matchup so there is something postive going on, and if there isnt a favourable matchup then go help that lane if u have to, pick a supprt to stun or heavy nuke, a support that can move around the map, if someone is jungling give them a ward let them take the bounty and tell them hey lc have this rune and he will probably feel better and later on agree to ur smoke ( u creating an opportunity for him) the list goes on.... Its about ur teammates being teammates help them to help you. If your still just angry about that one game in 50 or 100 where he had ZERO reason to rage and feed down mid and u think the game isnt worth it then fine, its definitely time to quit but i have to say there isnt going to be much for you...because all games have some random piece that can just screw up the game or make it way harder. If you enjoy the game ull know its not about winning every game but improving so you dont lose a game that you could have won I dont mind losing at all. People being bad/having a bad day etc while annoying I accept it as an unavoidable part of playing a team game. What bothers me is people who - because they're evil or because their brains are underdeveloped - ruin the game on purpose one way or another. Being held hostage by deplorable human beings - whom I would be able to ignore in real life - is quite an unpleasant experience. What I was asking is how you guys manage to endure that. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
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Archeon
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
On January 04 2018 06:37 Archeon wrote: You can recrow to your ally by yourself by right-clicking the courier icon to your bottom right and clicking the hero you want to send to. But you still have to reorder everything. Ah ok thanks, that seems like a good enough solution. | ||
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Doomblaze
United States1292 Posts
On December 31 2017 00:26 amyamyamy wrote: I dont mind losing at all. People being bad/having a bad day etc while annoying I accept it as an unavoidable part of playing a team game. What bothers me is people who - because they're evil or because their brains are underdeveloped - ruin the game on purpose one way or another. Being held hostage by deplorable human beings - whom I would be able to ignore in real life - is quite an unpleasant experience. What I was asking is how you guys manage to endure that. I assure you that very few people you play with are evil, have underdeveloped brains, or are deplorable human beings. You're playing a computer game, in case you forgot. Calling them any of those things is quite rude, and is indicative of a negative attitude that goes against the team-oriented nature of dota 2. Above you called these players "disgusting pieces of shit", why would you ever think this is appropriate? If you think that of players, why wouldnt they think the same of you? You can ignore anybody you play with. There are mute buttons for both text and speech. Nobody is holding you hostage in game, you are also free to leave. You might get low priority for leaving, but its still a choice you can make. | ||
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goldspoon
Canada112 Posts
On December 13 2017 21:08 amyamyamy wrote: I really enjoy DotA as a game but there's a re-occuring problem I hope you guys can help me with. Often time, players on my team will do stupid shit and feed making the game unplayable - how do you prevent people from doing that? Sounds like you have extremely low behavior score and judging from your attitude displayed in this thread I would say you've earned it. Do a search on how to find out your behavior score. | ||
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goldspoon
Canada112 Posts
On December 31 2017 00:26 amyamyamy wrote: I dont mind losing at all. People being bad/having a bad day etc while annoying I accept it as an unavoidable part of playing a team game. What bothers me is people who - because they're evil or because their brains are underdeveloped - ruin the game on purpose one way or another. Being held hostage by deplorable human beings - whom I would be able to ignore in real life - is quite an unpleasant experience. What I was asking is how you guys manage to endure that. For your information, most people with healthy behavior score does not have to endure this at all, you are in the minority and I applaud valve for making this system such that toxic people like you ruin each other's games. | ||
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The Binary Son
United States207 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On February 02 2018 16:14 The Binary Son wrote: QUESTION: Have they come up with anything we can do with item drops we get that we don't want? I haven't played in 6 months and I've been wondering what we're supposed to do with item drops since we can't trade or market them. no recycling yet zzz | ||
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amyamyamy
76 Posts
On January 09 2018 05:23 goldspoon wrote: For your information, most people with healthy behavior score does not have to endure this at all, you are in the minority and I applaud valve for making this system such that toxic people like you ruin each other's games. my behavior score is just fine. I never abaddon and never vent or flame in game (only after - lets just say its a good thing i have a punching bag at home to take things out on). While I dont really experience many people destroying their items and such (in games that are not over) - thats not the toxicity thats been plagueing my games - its a different kind of toxicity. Let me give you an example from a game I just played. Game loads up, picking screen, I mark offlane because thats my prefered role if feasible when playing with strangers. Someone else marks offlane as well, fair enough. I suggest we go ahead and roll for offlane. Kid says nothing and first picks Bristleback. That's the kind of stuff that bothers me. It has nothing to do with whether our team happens to win or lose (we won that game) and it has nothing to do with people making honest mistakes (like our od astralling sf who was black holed resulting in sf living and od dieing instead of a clean kill on sf). My original question was - and maybe I didnt do a proper job of explaining what I was asking - how to cope with the frustration of having to deal with anti-social kids who are either unwilling or unable to put the team and playing properly above all else particularly their egos. | ||
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Archeon
3272 Posts
I mostly deal with the frustration by seeing every game as a new game. Every game in the past is water under the bridge. But I do tilt and when I do I take a break. Also sometimes you've got to remember it's a game you play with random strangers. On occasion there's a random dickhead who just wants to do his ego-play, that's to be expected, so there's no real reason to get angry about it. Not everybody is really competitive and sometimes ppl just want to play their BB rather than win the game or be a nice guy about it. Maybe he/she just has a bad day and wants to bash some faces in. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
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