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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
On May 14 2015 10:12 FHDH wrote: Right, that's why I was surprised I was silenced when I landed. I knew Global goes through BKB + is cleared by it, but I didn't know it went through Euls as well. man i always thought global silence didnt affect invulnerable units | ||
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Gotuso
Netherlands733 Posts
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Yurie
12149 Posts
On May 14 2015 22:22 Gotuso wrote: Question: how do you counter Undying? Or kill him? Or even just survive him? Dude is literally impossible to kill same goes for the tombstone If you are a good team you force the tombstone somewhere random and back up. 60s cd. If he plops it at a tower early game and has his team along. Just split push and trade towers. Wait until there is some items up to kill the tombstone or until you have to defend base. Basically, force the tombstone out, then don't take the fight until you have items. Or pick Gyrocopter and get early flak canon levels, killing all the zombies during the entire duration of the team fight. Making tombstone a non issue. Undying is also surprisingly simple to gank if he is far from backup, no escape skills. Just burst him as you would any strength hero. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
My understanding is that treads favours heros that need better stats, while phase is meant for those who want extra chasing and damage potential. | ||
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Surprise.820
United Kingdom1276 Posts
I prefer treads on a lot of heroes in general (TA, Troll) most games because I'm either looking for faster right-click and/or to survive a nuke with STR treads on top of something like a wand. I don't really understand the concept of having both phase and blink. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Or is BoT one of those items that you only get on specific heroes? | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
On May 14 2015 22:43 IntoTheheart wrote: Is there a point in the game where you get rid of treads, and go into BoT? Or is BoT one of those items that you only get on specific heroes? BoT is a luxury item for late game when you don't really have money to spend on anything else, so you want to free up an item slot and not have to carry a TP around with you. deciding when to get BoTs as a carry is usually pretty difficult because they are expensive and you could be building up towards another item. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
like i go treads on clock so i can actually use my skills whereas people who go phase boots just look like retards | ||
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goody153
44284 Posts
On May 14 2015 22:43 IntoTheheart wrote: Is there a point in the game where you get rid of treads, and go into BoT? Or is BoT one of those items that you only get on specific heroes? if you are not naga/PL/meepo or the usual carrier of BoT's then it happens on really lategame like they said when you don't haven't anything to upgrade anymore On May 14 2015 22:55 FFGenerations wrote: treads give mana to any hero that uses mana too like i go treads on clock so i can actually use my skills whereas people who go phase boots just look like retards ever since i discovered threadswitching i usually buy threads usually except for heroes who desperately need the little boost of movespeed phase gives(aka heroes like troll or jugg or DP where it's core) .. also the attackspeed it gives is really big | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 14 2015 22:40 Surprise.820 wrote: I don't really understand the concept of having both phase and blink. You've never had a game against a teamcomp where the majority of their team are heroes that you'd have to chase/get kited by, rather than ones that would stand and manfight you? If we're talking heroes like Drow/Sniper and squishier ranged supports, having slightly stronger man-fighting against them is not very meaningful because they'll virtually never stand and fight you, while chasing ability can matter a lot. It's usually not a decision based on your hero, because a lot of heroes can use both. It's a lot more dependent on the teams as a whole and whether the chasing power or manfighting ability are more relevant to the teams as a whole. On May 14 2015 22:55 FFGenerations wrote: treads give mana to any hero that uses mana too like i go treads on clock so i can actually use my skills whereas people who go phase boots just look like retards Both are fine situationally, you just adjust the rest of your items toward it. You still often end up holding a Robe, Staff, or Point Booster, and those can be dropped to drink Bottle. | ||
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ChaZzza
United Kingdom162 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
On May 14 2015 22:22 Gotuso wrote: Question: how do you counter Undying? Or kill him? Or even just survive him? Dude is literally impossible to kill same goes for the tombstone Shadowdemon max skill Q+W first - Laningstage) The more strength he steals the more your disruptions do double damage. You force him to play undying differently which results in him dominating a lane less, maybe even opting for a wonky skillbuild resulting in less early game impact. - Midgame teamfights 1) Your disruption will probably also grab the aura to work in favor of your team for the duration of the illusions. Micro both illusions for the duration to buff your cores. - Midgame teamfights 2) Use the ultimate on other hero's but not undying. It doesn’t break or purge anything until undying has very expensive items. Better use it on their pos1 or pos2 hero to make sure they can rightclick less. And hopefully your laningpartner isnt a retard. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 15 2015 06:27 govie wrote: - Laningstage) The more strength he steals the more your disruptions do double damage. You force him to play undying differently which results in him dominating a lane less, maybe even opting for a wonky skillbuild resulting in less early game impact. Illusions aren't spawned with Decay stacks since it's a temporary buff that illusions don't inherit. So no, using Decay on you does not lead to you getting stronger illusions from Disruption. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On May 14 2015 22:46 BluemoonSC wrote: BoT is a luxury item for late game when you don't really have money to spend on anything else, so you want to free up an item slot and not have to carry a TP around with you. i'd call this an oversimplification: BoTs are necessary for your buybacks to be relevant if you're fighting far away from your towers, and for late game split pushers to get to fights (away from towers) in general heroes like PL sometimes want them much earlier just to increase their overall farming efficiency and split pushing efficacy; i know that BSJ never gets treads on his PL and often opts for travels after manta but before diffusal (which is also a departure from how most PLs try to get diffusal as their first core item; manta first is just better for farming and guaranteeing the lategame if you aren't forced into fighting a lot earlier) | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
On May 15 2015 09:06 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: i'd call this an oversimplification: BoTs are necessary for your buybacks to be relevant if you're fighting far away from your towers, and for late game split pushers to get to fights (away from towers) in general heroes like PL sometimes want them much earlier just to increase their overall farming efficiency and split pushing efficacy; i know that BSJ never gets treads on his PL and often opts for travels after manta but before diffusal (which is also a departure from how most PLs try to get diffusal as their first core item; manta first is just better for farming and guaranteeing the lategame if you aren't forced into fighting a lot earlier) bro this is simple questions simple answers what do you expect  | ||
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aboxcar
United States447 Posts
On May 14 2015 22:43 IntoTheheart wrote: Is there a point in the game where you get rid of treads, and go into BoT? Or is BoT one of those items that you only get on specific heroes? You can buy BoTs (but not sell treads yet) in preparation for switching treads to your final 6th slot item. Sell treads when you're ready to buy the 6th slot. But if your team is ahead, it's sometimes okay to walk around without a TP. (but if you don't understand when this applies you probably shouldn't do it) This was one never mentioned little detail before ward stacking was added this patch. The supports of the team that's ahead can walk around without a TP and have an extra slot for items (imagine your 5 position: boots, observers, sentries, smoke, teleport, + 1 item... it's a sad life) | ||
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Yurie
12149 Posts
On May 15 2015 10:11 FFGenerations wrote: so dota went offline so i hit cancel in search and tabbed out, didnt think it cancelled but wtvr. 5 mins later it puts me in a game so i hit cancel again. banned from matchmaking for 6 hours...???? (i very very very seldom cancel games too) The duration goes up very very fast. I recall once when I had to decline 3 times in a row due to people coming online. First was a few minutes, second like 15 min. Last one several hours (I switched account). | ||
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