• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:12
CEST 10:12
KST 17:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview5[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week 89 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Data needed BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1457 users

Simple Questions, Simple Answers - Page 1056

Forum Index > Dota 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1254 Next
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 02:54:49
March 06 2015 02:53 GMT
#21101
define "zeus abuse"

do you mean when calibrating, picking zeus bc you do a lot of hero damage, it places you at a higher mmr after the calibration?

if so, the answer is no that does not work anymore.

On March 06 2015 11:52 Quochobao wrote:
How exactly do you land SF ulti with eul? All the vods make it seem simple, but the eul and ulti timing doesn't line up perfectly.


practice! go into a lobby, get a hero like centaur and give him 6 hearts using console commands...get a eul's and work on your timing.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
March 06 2015 03:04 GMT
#21102
the sf euls ult combo is also significantly easier with a blink, both for blink into walking range -> euls -> ult and euls from max range -> blink -> ult
posting on liquid sites in current year
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
March 06 2015 06:43 GMT
#21103
does quelling blade increase the damage of tidebringer aoe from kunkka?

yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
March 06 2015 06:49 GMT
#21104
On March 06 2015 15:43 75 wrote:
does quelling blade increase the damage of tidebringer aoe from kunkka?


no; qb was unpurchasable on kunkka in dota 1 for this reason though
posting on liquid sites in current year
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 16:41:50
March 06 2015 16:31 GMT
#21105
Couple quick ones:

What's the ideal safe lane / jungle farming build for Faceless? I had some trouble farming on my first attempt with the hero. Got a ~10 min Midas but didn't have enough other stuff to make an impact in the game. Was laning with a Jakiro.


Is cogs to contest first rune worth it on Clock or should you level something else first?

"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 06 2015 16:37 GMT
#21106
cogs is almost always the first skill on clock
its how u dont die and also how u block ur wave etc, its also very efficient for harassment if you can pull that off. leave it at level 1 until ur level 12

well if ur sumail u want a 3 min midas on void then bfury mom for ricing purposes
if ur not sumail u want like 6min midas into maelstrom mom mjollnir probably. then buy up some king bars and a butterfly likely and go ham
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 16:46:29
March 06 2015 16:43 GMT
#21107
On March 07 2015 01:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
cogs is almost always the first skill on clock
its how u dont die and also how u block ur wave etc, its also very efficient for harassment if you can pull that off. leave it at level 1 until ur level 12

well if ur sumail u want a 3 min midas on void then bfury mom for ricing purposes
if ur not sumail u want like 6min midas into maelstrom mom mjollnir probably. then buy up some king bars and a butterfly likely and go ham


How in God's name do you get a 3-6 min midas?
What starting items?
First time with the hero, I'm sure I can improve on 10 mins, but 3??? Heard from teammates around 7-8 is good.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 06 2015 16:48 GMT
#21108
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1297674214/farm
3:38 i guess, close enough. he got like first blood and second blood haha.
6 min is if you cs perfectly, I guess 8 is fine. 10 is definitely too late. void has absurdly high damage though so there's no reason not to CS well.

starting items are always situational but on a melee carry should almost always be stout tango (stuff) where stuff is either stats, more regen or a qb.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 17:00:19
March 06 2015 16:48 GMT
#21109
On March 07 2015 01:43 DinoMight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 01:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
cogs is almost always the first skill on clock
its how u dont die and also how u block ur wave etc, its also very efficient for harassment if you can pull that off. leave it at level 1 until ur level 12

well if ur sumail u want a 3 min midas on void then bfury mom for ricing purposes
if ur not sumail u want like 6min midas into maelstrom mom mjollnir probably. then buy up some king bars and a butterfly likely and go ham


How in God's name do you get a 3-6 min midas?
What starting items?
First time with the hero, I'm sure I can improve on 10 mins, but 3??? Heard from teammates around 7-8 is good.

Get a glove and don't miss a single cs. You get ~24 creeps in three minutes, that's ~1080 gold, plus 100 passive gold every minute, that gives 1380 gold. You should have 125 leftover after glove, that's 1505 gold. One or two more creeps and you have a midas.

Seriously, 60 cs per 10 minutes is around 75% collection rate on lane gold and it's really easy to get if you focus on csing. That's about 2.5k gold already, add passive gold (1000 gold!) and possible bounty runes and you realize that midas boots null/wraith/bracer/wand is piss easy, even let's you miss 10 more creeps. People underestimate the power of precise csing, no wonder it's weird for them that pros get such good farm. You go for ganks when you are certain you will get the kill, not necessarily the last hit but at least end up salvaging/winning the lane for your teammate, otherwise just kill creeps constantly.

Disclaimer: midas sucks, don't buy it.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 16:50:08
March 06 2015 16:49 GMT
#21110
On March 07 2015 01:48 makmeatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 01:43 DinoMight wrote:
On March 07 2015 01:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
cogs is almost always the first skill on clock
its how u dont die and also how u block ur wave etc, its also very efficient for harassment if you can pull that off. leave it at level 1 until ur level 12

well if ur sumail u want a 3 min midas on void then bfury mom for ricing purposes
if ur not sumail u want like 6min midas into maelstrom mom mjollnir probably. then buy up some king bars and a butterfly likely and go ham


How in God's name do you get a 3-6 min midas?
What starting items?
First time with the hero, I'm sure I can improve on 10 mins, but 3??? Heard from teammates around 7-8 is good.

Get a glove and don't miss a single cs. You get ~24 creeps in three minutes, that's ~1080 gold, plus 100 passive gold every minute, that gives 1380 gold. You should have 125 leftover after glove, that's 1505 gold. One or two more creeps and you have a midas.

don't try this at home kids
but yes that assists in showing how it's possible.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 16:53:19
March 06 2015 16:52 GMT
#21111
On March 07 2015 01:48 makmeatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2015 01:43 DinoMight wrote:
On March 07 2015 01:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
cogs is almost always the first skill on clock
its how u dont die and also how u block ur wave etc, its also very efficient for harassment if you can pull that off. leave it at level 1 until ur level 12

well if ur sumail u want a 3 min midas on void then bfury mom for ricing purposes
if ur not sumail u want like 6min midas into maelstrom mom mjollnir probably. then buy up some king bars and a butterfly likely and go ham


How in God's name do you get a 3-6 min midas?
What starting items?
First time with the hero, I'm sure I can improve on 10 mins, but 3??? Heard from teammates around 7-8 is good.

Get a glove and don't miss a single cs. You get ~24 creeps in three minutes, that's ~1080 gold, plus 100 passive gold every minute, that gives 1380 gold. You should have 125 leftover after glove, that's 1505 gold. One or two more creeps and you have a midas.


This seems very dangerous. Maybe if I have an Omniknight nearby haha.

EDIT -thanks guys
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
March 06 2015 17:04 GMT
#21112
even if you have an omniknight near by, its super dangerous especially in lower level pubs where people do unpredictable stupid shit.

I'd recommend doing what sn0_man said and go with tangos and some branches..but almost definitely a stout on a melee..depends on your lane (both enemies and allies)

remember that your midas takes ~18min to pay itself off so unless you're playing a carry that relies on levels and really only needs some attack speed and upgraded boots to get a kill (slark, faceless void come to mind), it may not be worth. and even on those heroes I mentioned it is still only situationally worth.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 20:27:33
March 06 2015 20:27 GMT
#21113
On March 07 2015 01:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
cogs is almost always the first skill on clock
its how u dont die and also how u block ur wave etc, its also very efficient for harassment if you can pull that off. leave it at level 1 until ur level 12

Honestly, I don't even bother contesting the offlane rune a bunch of the time. Everyone's so caught up standing on the rune that it's super easy to get a good ward because literally nobody watches their jungle anymore cuz there's 3 people standing on the rune spot waiting for it to spawn.

Get ward down cuz no one's looking, go back, cog in your creeps and then coast cuz they let you make your lane super ez for yourself just for the sake of 100 gold/xp.
Moderator
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
March 07 2015 00:28 GMT
#21114
Question about LodA's path finding bug event.



If LodA would have done a shift blink + crush, would that have executed? Cuz the way I understand it, LodA thought that the blink would execute so he pressed crush, expecting that he would blink. But since Slardar was not facing the right way, Slardar had to readjust to blink, but before Slardar can readjust properly, Loda used crush which overrode the blink command.

So, would a shift blink crush execute better?
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
March 07 2015 02:02 GMT
#21115
yes but i think if you shift blink crush it takes longer as you need to release the shift key, which adds an extra 0.2-ish seconds imo
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
March 07 2015 13:19 GMT
#21116
either way, the bug was "fixed" according to valve. so hopefully this shit won't happen again. i've had a couple of instances where i just assumed i got my dagger cancelled which i guess wasn't the case. glad that's fixed.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44277 Posts
March 07 2015 13:38 GMT
#21117
Or perhaps you could say Loda got very unlucky. In Esportal Dota 2 League game #2 between The Alliance and Ninjas in Pyjamas, Loda reproduced the pathfinding bug at 18:26 game time. As Slardar, Loda had given a move to position order near some trees, and the generated path included an erroneous sharp turn at the very last step. Just as Slardar reached this last step, Loda activated his blink dagger. However, since Slardar was incorrectly trying to turn at the same moment, he was no longer within the required 11.5 degrees of facing the target position. Many players forget that your Hero does have to face towards the blink target before the blink actually starts. Exactly 0.07 seconds later, before Slardar had completed turning back towards the blink target, Loda cast Slithereen Crush, which replaced the blink dagger order. Sorry Loda!


i think i've read from valve blog that the loda incident wasn't the blink bug that occurred but rather a blink cancel if i'm reading this right

http://blog.dota2.com/2015/03/various-pathfinding-fixes/
this is a quote
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
March 07 2015 13:43 GMT
#21118
watch the video above. you can see slardar rotate just a bit before casting crush. that rotation was what cancelled the blink dagger command bc he was not facing the right way. so in a way it is a bug that it is being cancelled?

or are you saying there is another blink bug they have not addressed yet?
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44277 Posts
March 07 2015 13:46 GMT
#21119
i've seen the vod .. idk what's the bug cause i never encountered it (or failed to notice when i encountered it rofl)

i just posted valve statement lol .. don't ask me i know little about it
this is a quote
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
March 07 2015 14:03 GMT
#21120
it was just a bug with the pathfinding that caused him to turn around for no reason. there was nothing wrong with the blink dagger behaviour
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Prev 1 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1254 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 48m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft605
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 5684
JYJ 529
NaDa 484
Mong 104
Larva 100
Backho 64
Zeus 54
ToSsGirL 31
Sharp 11
Bale 10
[ Show more ]
Noble 9
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm126
League of Legends
JimRising 605
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1093
shoxiejesuss966
allub171
olofmeister7
Other Games
summit1g12226
monkeys_forever148
RuFF_SC237
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH244
• LUISG 20
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
48m
Wardi Open
2h 48m
Monday Night Weeklies
7h 48m
Replay Cast
15h 48m
The PondCast
1d 1h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 2h
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
3 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs SHIN
Rogue vs Bunny
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Flash vs Soma
RSL Revival
6 days
BSL
6 days
Patches Events
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
2026 GSL S1
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.