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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 04 2015 17:17 GMT
#21081
You replace it with Satanic at 6 items. AS shouldn't be a problem though because you should already have like 2 primary AS items (e.g. Mjoll+BFly) at that point.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 17:24:07
March 04 2015 17:21 GMT
#21082
It's actually a bit interesting since PPD claims that you need aghs for void to be good (although his team runs it exclusively offlane where aghs is much better) and it's hard to suggest that any other item outperforms refresher in a 6-slot situation so then you have BoTs/BKB/Butterfly/Mjollnir/Aghs/Refresher

I'm not really sure what the plan is but i think if u skip aghs then yeah its bots/bkb/bfly/mjoll/satanic/refresher. I wouldn't sell mom until u need the slot right.

plus there's always games vs a PA or butterflies where u need shit like MKB right
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 04 2015 17:37 GMT
#21083
Refresher's more 7th slot in that it's better than any other item when it's off CD, but worse than any other item when it's on CD. So you just ditch the least useful of your remaining 5 items and hope you don't suck so bad at using Chrono that you can lose a 6 item double Chrono fight.
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Slendermang
Profile Joined June 2013
United States6 Posts
March 04 2015 17:45 GMT
#21084
Can someone give me a rundown on things to do in downtime as a roaming Mirana? I get that just by not appearing on the map I'm a threat to the enemy but when I don't have the opportunity to gank the lanes and there's no available open lanes (usually isn't in the first 10 minutes) what should I be doing? Is stacking jungle camps and spamming star fall viable? I often find myself having to rely way too much on getting assist gold and exp from fights and landing arrows isn't reliable.
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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
March 04 2015 18:30 GMT
#21085
Don't touch starfall. Throw arrows at people every cd, control runes, pull camps or the wave (offlane near t2 through river probably), and just scare people the rest of the time.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 04 2015 18:36 GMT
#21086
You can stack camps if you're near them, and possibly clear them later, but low ranks of Starfall are pretty inefficient to use, and you don't want to start leveling it up early just to clear stacks.
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Slendermang
Profile Joined June 2013
United States6 Posts
March 04 2015 18:41 GMT
#21087
I see, thats a pretty good point I always had maxed starfall because in my mind was a source of reliable damage and went something like 4/1/1, so you're recommending just foregoing levels of it for maxing arrow? I guess if I don't land the arrow it wont matter anyway and the bonus damage on it would be much better when I do.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 18:44:16
March 04 2015 18:43 GMT
#21088
The thing about early starfall is that if you arrow somebody, in order to starfall them as well you have to leap and starfall and potm doesn't have a big mana pool. So you actually have to base every time you cast spells with that build plus it costs you your leap so you can die fairly often with it etc.

Just arrow is comparable damage at much lower mana investment and much higher safety. You do sacrifice catchup farm potential but oh well.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 04 2015 18:46 GMT
#21089
Arrow gains more damage per rank against single targets than Starfall, even counting the extra star damage, and you won't engage on a missed arrow anyway.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
March 04 2015 18:48 GMT
#21090
Depending on the game (offlane especially), I like going for 2 points in arrow, and then maxing her q (while mana efficient, it can help her farm). It's a bit more balanced of a build that lets you transition into farming reasonably.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 04 2015 18:49 GMT
#21091
It's sort of situational based on the pace of the game. Offlane you actually need to do a lot of catch-up farming to be a useful hero, so you do want to max Starfall sooner rather than later.
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Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
March 04 2015 19:16 GMT
#21092
Is there anything similar to Aui2000's replay analysis videos?
Slendermang
Profile Joined June 2013
United States6 Posts
March 04 2015 19:28 GMT
#21093
Simply Dota on YouTube is pretty good, Lumi's YouTube has some analysis as well and there's a Dendi vod on midding if you're interested in that.
i dont like to play dota, i just like to watch
GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 20:39:30
March 04 2015 20:39 GMT
#21094
[edit] Fuck I replied to a post on the previous page like an ass.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
March 05 2015 01:49 GMT
#21095
how do i deal with shadow fiend mid? i feel like once he gets his 2nd level into necromastery, i just can't last hit vs him. not sure if i was being lazy bc i was drinking but i was playing TA and he was getting the better of me.

heavy gankage?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-05 02:52:44
March 05 2015 02:42 GMT
#21096
TA gains more damage from Refraction than SF does from Necromastery, even if he has max souls.

If you just let him farm and get high enough level to Raze waves, you'll have to lasthit under tower, but the lane is so volatile before that, it's really not possible to pinpoint specifically one thing you're doing wrong, because as a whole if your fundamentals are better than his, you will crush him.

Abusing Refraction denies is super important (hitting allied creeps doesn't use up Refraction charges so you can "save" Refraction charges to lasthit/harass by hitting allied creeps instead and using Psi Blades splash to actually get the lasthit or do damage to the enemy), but positioning, general lasthitting, creep control, etc. are all important as well.
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
March 05 2015 09:37 GMT
#21097
and yeah having your supports gank maybe 2-4 times when the SF gets too greedy would also help.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-05 13:28:03
March 05 2015 13:27 GMT
#21098
On March 05 2015 11:42 TheYango wrote:
TA gains more damage from Refraction than SF does from Necromastery, even if he has max souls.

If you just let him farm and get high enough level to Raze waves, you'll have to lasthit under tower, but the lane is so volatile before that, it's really not possible to pinpoint specifically one thing you're doing wrong, because as a whole if your fundamentals are better than his, you will crush him.

Abusing Refraction denies is super important (hitting allied creeps doesn't use up Refraction charges so you can "save" Refraction charges to lasthit/harass by hitting allied creeps instead and using Psi Blades splash to actually get the lasthit or do damage to the enemy), but positioning, general lasthitting, creep control, etc. are all important as well.


yeah i was using my denies. i think maybe it was bc drinking bc i felt like the matchup *should* favor the TA. she's not one of my most practiced either so if it's a lane i probably should have won, i will have to work on it

i feel like this is a problem in most matchups vs sf for me though, so i'll consider yelling at my friends to come middle more frequently to pressure him when I'm not playing a hero who can keep up with his dmg output.
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Ryndika
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1489 Posts
March 06 2015 02:51 GMT
#21099
Does zeus abuse still work and does it work in party mm if you que with someone with low mm ?
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Quochobao
Profile Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
March 06 2015 02:52 GMT
#21100
How exactly do you land SF ulti with eul? All the vods make it seem simple, but the eul and ulti timing doesn't line up perfectly.
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