EPT[Hero] Invoker - Page 21
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NAwk
United States8 Posts
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doc_biceps
Germany43 Posts
I am mainly playing Quas Wex Invoker because it fits my general team-fighting oriented playstyle and my "better miss a kill instead of getting killed afterwards" attitude. It also allows me to go for a gank or two if I can get a nice rune. Heres what I do in the laning stage: last hitting (which Im not very good at, I need to practice that a lot I think) and trying to stay alive. Heroes I struggle against and are currently picked a lot: - Tinker (mostly because of my bad lasthitting combined with his laser) - Kunka (so much harass from the stupid blade  )Any recommendations on how to deal with that/new starting items (i usually go with tango, ferry, two iron branches -> brown boots with first rune) | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
regardless of build, you want to start null with 2 pooled tangos then a salve and a basi, then brown boots (or boots then basi). Exort usually goes midas, qw opts for phase/urn or something similar Vs any melee laner, null+ basi + forged spirit means they won't get any cs Qw in generally is more "all-in", you have to destroy the mid game for your levels and gold or you become useless. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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doc_biceps
Germany43 Posts
I played Exort before, I think it is kind of a one trick pony with the euls meteor combo, but I should probably try to play to the "full" extend of Invokers capabilites. Which heroes should I go QW and which are total indicators for QE? Do you think Midas is a must-have on Invoker? | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
On August 04 2016 22:29 doc_biceps wrote: Hey, thanks for all the input! I played Exort before, I think it is kind of a one trick pony with the euls meteor combo, but I should probably try to play to the "full" extend of Invokers capabilites. Which heroes should I go QW and which are total indicators for QE? Do you think Midas is a must-have on Invoker? You either need Midas or you need to be getting tons of kills to make up for it. Don't think of exort as the skills, think of it as farming. Forge spirits and higher base dmg mean u clear camps much quicker, and you can split/jungle better. You can play any kind of invoker you want but I think in general QE is more flexible, farms better, and is strong all-around. QW is maybe better against mana drain prone heroes/all in push lineups | ||
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doc_biceps
Germany43 Posts
what helps me most early game is the freaking salve, its so strong o_0. I mess up 1 out of 3 euls combos, but that is fine. The midas really really helps as well, guess Im going to stick with what I was told:nulls, tango -> salve - > basi -> brownboots -> midas -> whatever feels needed, mostly euls. -> agha I would like to get a dagger as well but seeing how much I f*ck up the combo I wont achieve much with it I guess. Thanks guys, you helped me a lot! | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
But as ahw said, either you get Midas, or you jolly well be sure you can get those kills if you skip Midas. | ||
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Archeon
3253 Posts
Euls gives you some pickoffs if they try to def without enough commitment, but after aghs you can do that with some practice with tornado as well and while euls is convenient, blink often does the trick as well. Euls nowadays is the exception rather than the rule. Normal item build is probably null->brown boots->raindrops/basi->(drums)->midas->(drums)->bots/blink->blink/bots->aghs. Drums is a situational item if you need to tank up more or if you want to solo rosh early. Considering that Invoker scales exponentially with levels in difference to most heroes who cap at 11 and hard cap at 16, I think midas is pretty much core. | ||
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FFGenerations
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Obamarauder
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FFGenerations
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doc_biceps
Germany43 Posts
i guess we can agree that my 4k mrr games are slightly different from what goes on in the pro scene | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
in 2k you can go naked blink and you won the game already LOL | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
On August 09 2016 18:33 doc_biceps wrote: i guess we can agree that my 4k mrr games are slightly different from what goes on in the pro scene + Show Spoiler + if you watched the game he done literally nothing while he afk farmed midas and drum while his team went down . same with his alc (not that alc can do anything different). i expect to see changes from him in the games today if they call for it , either more anti push (i guess, i didnt watch the rest of the players) or a more dynamic mid | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34492 Posts
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doc_biceps
Germany43 Posts
On August 10 2016 02:04 FFGenerations wrote: of course he scales but you can just go and buttfuck the enemy team instead of standing there for 20 minutes like a donkey (g1 case in point). i know higher mmr games are worlds different (i am 2k) but my small experience with the hero so far is that midas is often the exception when an early blink (used well) can tear apart an aggressive opposition, catch out bad plays or give you opportunity to make tempo-changing ones from the get-go. this comes from blink lina being my fav hero. sometimes midas is good, sometimes blink midas, but sometimes blink bots is an option! that's my 2c and as i play more Very High games on new acc i hope to review it (if volvo stops giving me High games ever which are practically 2k) in 2k you can go naked blink and you won the game already LOL Yeah well, then again, 2k Midas gets less effective if it takes you forever to get it (while your team is getting rekt) or you fail to use it every time it is off cd. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
i probably shouldn't have mentioned my mmr, i was only saying it to be humble about my opinion. my track record (tho insignificant sample) in High and Very High so far is 7-2 with a KDA of 7.4 so i'm not the regular 2k player | ||
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