[Hero] Legion Commander - Page 2

On December 19 2013 02:05 konadora wrote:
one big question: does moment of courage trigger many times over the course it is activated, like does it depend on your attack speed? because i feel like the faster i hit, the more counter-hits i do...

On December 19 2013 02:05 konadora wrote:
one big question: does moment of courage trigger many times over the course it is activated, like does it depend on your attack speed? because i feel like the faster i hit, the more counter-hits i do...

On December 19 2013 02:02 Logo wrote:
I wonder how valuable MoC levels are for dueling; level 1 is a no brainer of course. Going from level 1 -> 4 is a 16% -> 22% chance increase in proc rate which is relatively minor. I know the PRNG is going to mess up the math a bit, but if you take the actual % values at face value you're looking at only 6 additional MoC's per 100 attacks. Realistically early heroes, especially int supports, are only going to get like 4-5 attacks off during a level 1 duel which means a maxxed MoC is only giving you an additional .1-.2 MoC procs per duel. Even if you had all the creeps attacking you it seems like you're topping out at getting 1-2 extra MoCs procs per duel. Meanwhile an extra 20 attack speed from even 1 point in PtA is almost guaranteed to give you an extra attack over the course of a duel and 50 damage (minimum) from an extra level of OO is well 50 damage.

Obviously the lifesteal is a huge concern in a lot of situations, as is the timing you hit off having MoC leveled when you're looking for more than Duel ganks (or are fighting Duels with things like creep aggro), but it seems like leveling MoC is more of a compromise you need to make for survivability and farm rather than the best way to grab duel ganks. If your stronger than the person you are dueling anyways the extra levels of MoC does really little for you. If you feel really confident in your ability to farm without MoC and you are fine on survivability due to the game situation it seems like multiple levels of MoC are sort of a waste; hence Dendi's build maybe?

On December 19 2013 02:02 konadora wrote:
never played LC in wc3 dota, played first few games today

i really like that you can abuse duel to finish off low hp enemy heroes and permagain damage (without risk of losing them if you are gonna die, like a bloodstone charge or sf souls)

also, many people seem to go jungling with it, is it a decent option to go if you aren't laning? and do you go blink/lothars or skip this straight?

On December 19 2013 02:30 Ravensong170 wrote:


So LC is a solid jungler, but I would say only Jungle if you won't get farm priority in safe lane and it is in an unfavorable match up in the mid lane. She is MUCH better at jungle than LS or BS, and each level she gets makes her jungle clearing ability speed up exponentially because of MoC and PoA scaling.

Jungle you build her a LITTLE different imo. Obv you want your quelling blade in the jungle and I go PoA and MoC until six. (3 in PoA 2 in MoC and then duel at six and 1 point in OO at seven for the move speed bonus in teamfights) but I personally go treads into Blink and then go back for a BKB (if needed) and then go for a Maelstrom/Mjollnir (I don't grab Armlet because if I am jungling then I am not primary carry, so I will build items to abuse my duel, and the damage, as and lightning shield from mjollnir really fucks people up in duel.

Shadowblade is a waste imo, because it is a supremely expensive item when compared to a armlet. If you want to get blink armlet, its 1000 more than a shadowblade and provides a lot more versatility for her imo.

Blink first after boots in the jungle is quite strong because of the blink ganks early to duel, but you need to have a team that will back you up/coordinate with you because you will not get a solo kill early unless enemy hero is low.

My safelane build is Phase, urn, into Armlet and then I go blink/BKB (if needed) and AC and Heart. I don't get Basher/Abyssal because her bonus damage from duels should more than account for basher abyssal damage (lock down is nice, but I think the armor and heart is better, its really preference)

Thats why I love LC more than any other Hero, She is super versatile and can do well with a wide array of items AS LONG AS you play her to fit the items you have. (I see people player her as a jungle and try to hard carry and they don't do very well)

On December 19 2013 02:41 konadora wrote:

I see, I did find it waaaaaaay easier to farm jungle than, say naix or furion.

When I laned, I maxed OO first, is that better?

The second game I played, I went blink because I had serious mana issues and SB was way too expensive as well, so I guess it was the better choice... but I also did go soul ring. Good or bad call?

Phase or treads? I find that sometimes I was just a bit too slow in chasing to start a duel on a running hero, so I felt phase was a better boots imo.

Also, I've seen ppl go deso as first damage item and I've also done it myself, and it did pretty good I feel as my first damage item.

On December 19 2013 02:58 hariooo wrote:
Shadow Blade over Blink in pubs, just like Shadow Fiend or Doom. It's just better.

Except if you're doing the naked Blink rush in jungle.

On December 19 2013 03:20 StoRm_res wrote:


I strongly disagree, you don't need either on doom and on SF a blink will allow you to get into position to ult or raze even better than sb in most games, because the enemy isnt stupid and will start buying wards and duss, plus its cheaper and a lot more fun to play.

On December 19 2013 02:14 Ravensong170 wrote:


In wc3 dota1 MoC was coded to increase his attack speed for a brief moment to above the max to get the MoC attack off( at least that' how I understand it), depending on where he was in her previous auto-attack animation, he would get an extra MoC attack in. It amounted to about 50% of the time (I believe)

Dota2 is coded differently, and I'm not sure exactly how, but they have given MoC the same rough % chance of getting two MoC attacks off in one proc.

I read somewhere on the Dev forum that this is intended (whether intentionally or unintentionally in Dota1, they have kept in the same in dota2)

Your base attack speed doesn't matter for your Proc chance or number of hits(or it shouldn't), its simply the way it is coded, you are probably seeing a number of these "double" MoC attacks.

Or it is simply bugged, but I haven't noticed much difference between Dota1 and Dota2 in the way MoC works.

On December 19 2013 07:50 Belisarius wrote:

I'm certain this is wrong. I consistently find that she gets more MoC procs with higher attackspeed. Late game it's normal to get three in a row with a few attackspeed items. I also think it's noticeable when jungling early; I'm convinced she double-procs more often with PtA up.

On December 19 2013 08:55 Ravensong170 wrote:


I dunno how you can be certain about this. MoC procs off BEING attacking, not her attacking. there is a chance each time an auto attack is initiated that it will proc. So yea you can see a large number of procs in a row because you have a 1 in 5 chance of procing the MoC and that could feasiblly happen each time MoC comes off cool down.

Her own attack speed should have nothing to do with that.

If you are referring to how many hits she gets in during the buff duration of MoC, then that may be bugged, but the MoC attacks should not be affected by attack speed since they are coded separately from her AS, or at least that's how they should have been, from the way it was explained in dev forums a few months back.

On December 19 2013 10:50 NotYango wrote:
The +hp thing says it because about 50% of the time you get the lifesteal on the following attack because MoC happened to proc at the right time.