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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On March 11 2015 01:18 ChunderBoy wrote:
make him a non illusion hero. we have enough of those
give him some lifedrain gimmick back
give him a passive, not zeal tho
sunders fine
also meta is just a boring bad spell (idk why ppl say meta is one of the best skills in game, i think its awful 80 dmg isnt even that good and u become so slow)
compare meta to sf souls 80 dmg with slow vs 72 dmg
TA gets 80 + 200 dmg and -8 armour
Every antimage mana break even from illusions translates to 110 extra dmg if u use ulti later
etc..
Well, meta before speed nerf was actually one of the best DPS steroids in the game due to it being base damage increase (say hello to illusions).
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On March 11 2015 01:18 ChunderBoy wrote:
make him a non illusion hero. we have enough of those
give him some lifedrain gimmick back
give him a passive, not zeal tho
sunders fine
also meta is just a boring bad spell (idk why ppl say meta is one of the best skills in game, i think its awful 80 dmg isnt even that good and u become so slow)
compare meta to sf souls 80 dmg with slow vs 72 dmg
TA gets 80 + 200 dmg and -8 armour
Every antimage mana break even from illusions translates to 110 extra dmg if u use ulti later
etc..
Soul Steal is awesome :D
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I have two questions for best carry.
Is Aquila still a lame item on him and will it just delay the nature of the hero? Not sure if it was discussed because TB was a bad hero for a couple of patches.
Because of Metamorphosis being terrible and 6.84's Reflection is pretty sick when maxed and under Octa, what is the recommended minimum amount of stats from level upgrades before maxing Reflection for the following item builds:
Yasha > Radiance > Skadi > Manta
Yasha > Radiance > Manta > Octarine Core
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
aquila still a good item, the mana regen will let you create an extra couple of illusions to farm lane with before you have to go back to fountain
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SoCal8910 Posts
yeah you still wanna at least get basi for your safelane t1 push
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Honestly the first time I've heard about aquila/basi in the build order since Beesa posted the items and progression.
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SoCal8910 Posts
its one of those small items that helps at the start of the game. the aura is good for when you're pushing that early t1 so your creep wave lasts longer.
aquilla is a great value item if you choose to upgrade it (this goes for any hero). if you tread switch when you create illusions, like ahswtini said, you will be able to farm more before having to go regen.
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aquila is like half a yasha
dont tihnk its worth it on tb
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SoCal8910 Posts
not worth for sustain when you're farming and the aura when you push?
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dont usually have sustain problems
i mean u can walk to fountain once in 5-10minutes
not worth paying 1k gold to be able to not do that
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Bottle seems better than every way and used in competitive over Aquila 'cuz you could just go to runes on your way through jungle. Plus it's cheaper.
But there shouldn't be any trouble anyway w/o Bottle as you can at least have 1 illusion travel to a lane to LH and farm jungle with prime TB.
So, what about the second question; how early should Reflection be maxed? It feels like I'm doing more taking stats from lvl 1-9 wherever applicable but I'm not sure how much I'm taking the piss for taking more stats instead of Q 12-15. Maybe I should invest in Q by the time I get relic?
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Aquila is still 18 damage and 9 attack speed plus some other sustain stats for 1k gold (or 500 as you sell it later), so there's definitely a place for it.
I generally go stat items over radiance as the cost of a radiance is pretty much the same as a manta and with that you can do so much more ealier, which seems to be the way 6.84 is played at the moment.
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Honestly most people knocked the radiance builds by saying it was garbage and no way you're going to farm it up. Then EE and Black did it then people just went quiet against Radi builds.
Plus Manta sucks without good items, having just treads aquila manta isn't enough and you're better off with the emergency BKB/Skadi to make use of spell immunity or reflection + skadislow (point booster build-up is pretty okay.)
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 23 2015 21:04 Surprise.820 wrote:
Honestly most people knocked the radiance builds by saying it was garbage and no way you're going to farm it up. Then EE and Black did it then people just went quiet against Radi builds.
Plus Manta sucks without good items, having just treads aquila manta isn't enough and you're better off with the emergency BKB/Skadi to make use of spell immunity or reflection + skadislow (point booster build-up is pretty okay.)
The reason i personally knock radiance build is because it's pointless waste of gold when you're already farming like a motherfucker with about any good stat item. And unlike say Naga you can't really take control over the enemy jungle with illusions just because you have just 2 up at a time and they are really fucking easy to kill. Also, i am fairly certain that EE always been going for something like manta->skadi->bfly/bkb->bkb/bfly in his TB games.
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Yea, EE never went radiance with TB. Kuroky, Arteezy, EE and Black all played a fair amount of TB games when it was popular near the end of last year, and Black was the only one who ever built radi out of them.
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Maybe new radiance and winter wyvern help to make him more viable with the HP swap thing? And i dont know if sing was joking or not, but apparantly you can sunder while being a wraith or i didnt get his joke.
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radiance got buffed... one of best items in game now
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I'm surprised no one is talking about Terrorblade. His new skill change is impressive.
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New sunder and 900 AOE reflection are really annoying to play against.
His weaknesses are still there, he has paper stats, needs items to work well, he has significant downtime between meta etc... But he is still a half time good laner, full time tower pusher. He'll still suffer in competitive imo because pros are better at controlling him.
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