And, for the parts I was able to catch, Black was actually playing like the carry we want him to be. Seems like he had a good tournament. So, very disheartening that even with Black playing well, and three spots available, Faceless couldn't qualify for SEA.

They originally said that they would stick together until TI7. I wonder if this is the final straw for them or whether they still find potential in the team. No doubt the SEA region has become much more competitive. All the teams that made it to the playoff are looking quite good. It was surprising that Execration did as well as they did, but both Fnatic and Mineski are looking really good on paper.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

June 27 2017 17:39 GMT

#105

Black is ok, but I don't think he should play mid. He isn't a natural fit for the role. His laning mechanics is not up there, which makes him fall behind often.

Argh I wonder how many games xy loss faceless this qualifier.

derElbe

Germany571 Posts

June 27 2017 17:54 GMT

#106

So sad

Hopefully we get Black at TI as a caster or something

Thetwinmasters

3578 Posts

June 27 2017 18:01 GMT

#107

Xy+nutz are just simply not good enough players to be successful with in a pro team

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

June 27 2017 18:14 GMT

#108

On June 28 2017 03:01 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Xy+nutz are just simply not good enough players to be successful with in a pro team

I still think xy on 4 is OK and its his best role. But nutz does nothing but feed every game. It's not like he's a valuable #6 like solo or PPD. Only reason he is in the team is cuz of his friendship with ice.

shouldbeworking

946 Posts

June 27 2017 18:15 GMT

#109

Poor XY. He does not look like he even belongs on the same tier as other carries.

LemOn

United Kingdom8629 Posts

June 29 2017 11:15 GMT

#110

GG RIP another Black's stop
Is he unlucky or does he just suck plain and simple guys

LemOn

United Kingdom8629 Posts

June 29 2017 11:18 GMT

#111

Meh nevermind
I checked dotabuff for their lost games
he had rly good scores farm etc. in all of them
Why doesn't a T1 Western team ever pick him up?

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

June 29 2017 12:24 GMT

#112

On June 29 2017 20:15 LemOn wrote:
GG RIP another Black's stop
Is he unlucky or does he just suck plain and simple guys

He's unlucky that xy sucked so hard as carry. And if he plays carry then xy/jabz gotta choke. As mid he ain't the best except on easy killers like lina, but overall credible/respectable performance from him. Can't fault him and iceiceice for faceless horror show.

MetalMercury

United States1161 Posts

June 29 2017 12:27 GMT

#113

On June 29 2017 20:18 LemOn wrote:
Meh nevermind
I checked dotabuff for their lost games
he had rly good scores farm etc. in all of them
Why doesn't a T1 Western team ever pick him up?

No idea.

This team was one good player from being truly great; they didn't draft to protect their biggest weakness (xy-) and they paid the price for it in this qualifier. Seriously, never a Centaur carry, or a VS carry, or anything like that which would allow iceiceice to play carry and tempo control heroes like Timbersaw or Nyx rather than freaking Underlord.

I completely believe that Black, iceiceice, and Jabz can be a strong trio for a truly great team. Black has improved a ton, and honestly is probably the best player on the team in it's current form (seriously his back has gotta hurt from these qualifiers), but they need to find enablers in either position 1 or position 5 to make their team work. I think it could be as simple as dropping xy- and picking up a good tempo carry player from SEA, or even a star mid player to move Black to carry role. Either way, this team still has a big future if they stick around and make the appropriate roster moves imo.

spudde123

4814 Posts

June 29 2017 12:28 GMT

#114

Well Black has played with people like Kuro, Fata and PLD in the west. If those guys liked playing with him he'd have received more chances. It's not like he's an unknown to the western players.

I don't think it's an obvious "skill" issue, but rather my guess is something related to communication and how you play around your team. For example I remember the time Black was playing with Qojqva on Team Tinker. Both of them were skilled, both hit their spells and could farm very well, but they seemed pretty weak in terms of deciding what to do as a team to actually win the game.

I don't think Black is somehow incapable of playing in a super successful team (as we saw in VG) but at the same time I don't think there is a clear reason why some top western team should pick him up over some other player. He's a skilled player but very few people gain a big edge in terms of individual ability. The game mostly comes down to how you draft and how you play as a team.

Anamorph

236 Posts

June 29 2017 18:04 GMT

#115

alliance should pick em up as a safelane.

MichaelEhrmantraut

35 Posts

July 04 2017 02:35 GMT

#116

So anyone know if they are sticking together ?

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts

July 04 2017 09:55 GMT

#117

Looks like Faceless might indeed disband.

Iceiceice and Jabz currently teaming up with Mushi for Mineski in WCA qualifiers. Mineski also changed line up a bit adding Nana from WGU to midlane. Only kept Ninjaboogie and Mushi back to carry position.