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On October 31 2016 05:07 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2016 05:02 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 04:56 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:54 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 04:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:44 Racket wrote:
That moment when the weak link is the most stable player on the team. WTF? You can be fans, but you gotta realize a player is not the best by himself, he needs FOUR other players. Stop picking on one when the team as a whole is playing bad. And when the entire team is directionless and one player has been repeatedly praised for providing leadership and draft strategy? Given how kuro is still drafting and shot calling, thats on him not bulba. Sure, but we can at least end the myth that he provides anything except his own play. I agree, it's not really rocket science - team s with Bulba in them don't succeed.. even if he isn't the only one to blame, the pattern is pretty clear. Kuro hasn't been nowhere near as effective with him as Kuro was before with Jerax. It's an obviously massive downgrade and the "leadership" hasn't accounted to anything. Yeah its not like miracle has been a huge downgrade from fata, its all bulbas fault lamo We were talking about Bulba right? I wasn't commenting on Miracle, but his play hasn't been exceptional either. Although I'd say the invisible support play was largely the reason he didn't take off in a lot of the games. We're talking about why this team is failing, and the big reason is that FATA could win 1v1s and not feed when people went agressive against mid, leaving the supports able to make space for matu and help MC in the offlane. Miracle can't do that, leaving supports with 3 lanes they have ot try to help.
Yeah but Miracle also carried games on his own way more often than Fata. They are different players, saying Fata is straight up better is really misleading. This is about the team fitting together, not about individual players.
One thing is clear -Fata was Better fit with Matumba than Miracle is, that doesn't make him necessarily a stronger player.
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On October 31 2016 05:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2016 05:19 LemOn wrote:On October 31 2016 05:06 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 05:02 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:54 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 04:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:44 Racket wrote:
That moment when the weak link is the most stable player on the team. WTF? You can be fans, but you gotta realize a player is not the best by himself, he needs FOUR other players. Stop picking on one when the team as a whole is playing bad. And when the entire team is directionless and one player has been repeatedly praised for providing leadership and draft strategy? Given how kuro is still drafting and shot calling, thats on him not bulba. Sure, but we can at least end the myth that he provides anything except his own play. I agree, it's not really rocket science - teams with Bulba in them don't succeed.. even if he isn't the only one to blame, the pattern is pretty clear. Kuro hasn't been nowhere near as effective with him as Kuro was before with Jerax. It's an obviously massive downgrade and the "leadership" hasn't accounted to anything. lol are we really blaming bulba for aui carry, scamcret and miracle looking like a account buyer? Most teams fail, blaming one player for that is pretty silly I wouldn't say Bulba ruins teams. But he's not the player you bring in to take a two time Major finalist and top 8 TI team up to trophy level. You say you'd believe the players more than me, fine. So why do the players only recruit Bulba when they're in need of spaces to fill and on a deadline? Eh he's been the best player on the team, you just don't notice as Kuro shoves him on ogre/oracle/undying most of the time, and those heroes copy the fate of the team. When he played a nyx4 he singlehandedly won that game, his disruptor was great as well, did the same, his rubick was good too when Kuro let him play it before the whole Kuro Matumba shenanigans started it looked like they finally put him on 4 supports playmakers , then they started swapping he had to 5 again... you have an offlaner on aggro support and he played those really well. You guys mentioning Bulba have obviously not seen most of their games, be honest and tell me you have seen >50pct since TI. All this bullshit was said before he joined but if you still keep repetitively spewing that you haven't watched the actual team play Bulba's always been good on certain heroes, decent at others, and is generally not a shit player. But people always say he's good at drafting, has early game leadership, contributes a lot to strategy, and yet across all teams his been on bad early game and bad drafting has been a consistent theme. And no, he's only been the captain on a couple of those teams, but this has been such a running gag that the only explanation is that A) his skills in those regards are highly overrated by other players, or B) other players recognize he's great, just that the 40 or so teammates he's had in the last 3 years all choose to ignore him.
Well Bulldog described him as "chill" ingame - he likely adds to team chemistry and friendliness but not towards ingame shot calling. I always assumed it was Kuro doing that, maybe Jerax and Fata had more vocal influence than we thought, and it wasn't Kuro.
The biggest issue now is coordination between the players, Miracle matu the most, but also MC and the team (tide game) perhaps the voices of Jerax and Fata are missing, Bulba played really well, Miracle nobody doubts but they are guys with not much voice and it can be the thing missing.
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I do hope that this team sticks and just tries to find synergy. When they played well together it looked really good and smooth playing. It's just that they seem to lack that every other day. But sure was a huge bummer that we didnt get in to Majors
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
On October 31 2016 05:31 LemOn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2016 05:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 05:19 LemOn wrote:On October 31 2016 05:06 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 05:02 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:54 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 04:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:44 Racket wrote:
That moment when the weak link is the most stable player on the team. WTF? You can be fans, but you gotta realize a player is not the best by himself, he needs FOUR other players. Stop picking on one when the team as a whole is playing bad. And when the entire team is directionless and one player has been repeatedly praised for providing leadership and draft strategy? Given how kuro is still drafting and shot calling, thats on him not bulba. Sure, but we can at least end the myth that he provides anything except his own play. I agree, it's not really rocket science - teams with Bulba in them don't succeed.. even if he isn't the only one to blame, the pattern is pretty clear. Kuro hasn't been nowhere near as effective with him as Kuro was before with Jerax. It's an obviously massive downgrade and the "leadership" hasn't accounted to anything. lol are we really blaming bulba for aui carry, scamcret and miracle looking like a account buyer? Most teams fail, blaming one player for that is pretty silly I wouldn't say Bulba ruins teams. But he's not the player you bring in to take a two time Major finalist and top 8 TI team up to trophy level. You say you'd believe the players more than me, fine. So why do the players only recruit Bulba when they're in need of spaces to fill and on a deadline? Eh he's been the best player on the team, you just don't notice as Kuro shoves him on ogre/oracle/undying most of the time, and those heroes copy the fate of the team. When he played a nyx4 he singlehandedly won that game, his disruptor was great as well, did the same, his rubick was good too when Kuro let him play it before the whole Kuro Matumba shenanigans started it looked like they finally put him on 4 supports playmakers , then they started swapping he had to 5 again... you have an offlaner on aggro support and he played those really well. You guys mentioning Bulba have obviously not seen most of their games, be honest and tell me you have seen >50pct since TI. All this bullshit was said before he joined but if you still keep repetitively spewing that you haven't watched the actual team play Bulba's always been good on certain heroes, decent at others, and is generally not a shit player. But people always say he's good at drafting, has early game leadership, contributes a lot to strategy, and yet across all teams his been on bad early game and bad drafting has been a consistent theme. And no, he's only been the captain on a couple of those teams, but this has been such a running gag that the only explanation is that A) his skills in those regards are highly overrated by other players, or B) other players recognize he's great, just that the 40 or so teammates he's had in the last 3 years all choose to ignore him. Well Bulldog described him as "chill" ingame - he likely adds to team chemistry and friendliness but not towards ingame shot calling. I always assumed it was Kuro doing that, maybe Jerax and Fata had more vocal influence than we thought, and it wasn't Kuro. The biggest issue now is coordination between the players, Miracle matu the most, but also MC and the team (tide game) perhaps the voices of Jerax and Fata are missing, Bulba played really well, Miracle nobody doubts but they are guys with not much voice and it can be the thing missing.
Fata is a very vocal player. His past teammates said that he actually called a lot of shots in the game, where to go, who to gank, etc. When he streamed a couple of his matches in the pro inhouse league (don't remember the name, Loda and Funnik were admins, afaik) I was really surprised how active he was talking all the time, more than any other pro I've seen. I think that might be missing from liquid.
I think the play for Liquid is:
Bulba -> coach
1. Miracle
2. Fata
3. MC
4./5. Kuro/Matu
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Well there you go, that's why Matumba looked lost always crossing farming paths with Miracle (and vice versa)
They were both used to a vocal experienced 1/2 in Fata/Notail, that's why both Matumba and Miracle looked way more solid with them
On October 31 2016 05:41 Jinyah wrote:
I do hope that this team sticks and just tries to find synergy. When they played well together it looked really good and smooth playing. It's just that they seem to lack that every other day. But sure was a huge bummer that we didnt get in to Majors
Problem is it's clearly communication, but you can't force a player to change his personality really in a couple weeks
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On October 31 2016 05:41 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2016 05:31 LemOn wrote:On October 31 2016 05:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 05:19 LemOn wrote:On October 31 2016 05:06 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 05:02 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:54 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 04:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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And when the entire team is directionless and one player has been repeatedly praised for providing leadership and draft strategy? Given how kuro is still drafting and shot calling, thats on him not bulba. Sure, but we can at least end the myth that he provides anything except his own play. I agree, it's not really rocket science - teams with Bulba in them don't succeed.. even if he isn't the only one to blame, the pattern is pretty clear. Kuro hasn't been nowhere near as effective with him as Kuro was before with Jerax. It's an obviously massive downgrade and the "leadership" hasn't accounted to anything. lol are we really blaming bulba for aui carry, scamcret and miracle looking like a account buyer? Most teams fail, blaming one player for that is pretty silly I wouldn't say Bulba ruins teams. But he's not the player you bring in to take a two time Major finalist and top 8 TI team up to trophy level. You say you'd believe the players more than me, fine. So why do the players only recruit Bulba when they're in need of spaces to fill and on a deadline? Eh he's been the best player on the team, you just don't notice as Kuro shoves him on ogre/oracle/undying most of the time, and those heroes copy the fate of the team. When he played a nyx4 he singlehandedly won that game, his disruptor was great as well, did the same, his rubick was good too when Kuro let him play it before the whole Kuro Matumba shenanigans started it looked like they finally put him on 4 supports playmakers , then they started swapping he had to 5 again... you have an offlaner on aggro support and he played those really well. You guys mentioning Bulba have obviously not seen most of their games, be honest and tell me you have seen >50pct since TI. All this bullshit was said before he joined but if you still keep repetitively spewing that you haven't watched the actual team play Bulba's always been good on certain heroes, decent at others, and is generally not a shit player. But people always say he's good at drafting, has early game leadership, contributes a lot to strategy, and yet across all teams his been on bad early game and bad drafting has been a consistent theme. And no, he's only been the captain on a couple of those teams, but this has been such a running gag that the only explanation is that A) his skills in those regards are highly overrated by other players, or B) other players recognize he's great, just that the 40 or so teammates he's had in the last 3 years all choose to ignore him. Well Bulldog described him as "chill" ingame - he likely adds to team chemistry and friendliness but not towards ingame shot calling. I always assumed it was Kuro doing that, maybe Jerax and Fata had more vocal influence than we thought, and it wasn't Kuro. The biggest issue now is coordination between the players, Miracle matu the most, but also MC and the team (tide game) perhaps the voices of Jerax and Fata are missing, Bulba played really well, Miracle nobody doubts but they are guys with not much voice and it can be the thing missing. Fata is a very vocal player. His past teammates said that he actually called a lot of shots in the game, where to go, who to gank, etc. When he streamed a couple of his matches in the pro inhouse league (don't remember the name, Loda and Funnik were admins, afaik) I was really surprised how active he was talking all the time, more than any other pro I've seen. I think that might be missing from liquid. I think the play for Liquid is: Bulba -> coach 1. Miracle 2. Fata 3. MC 4./5. Kuro/Matu
>remove your best player
wat
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On October 31 2016 05:24 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2016 05:13 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 05:07 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 05:02 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 04:56 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:54 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 04:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:44 Racket wrote:
That moment when the weak link is the most stable player on the team. WTF? You can be fans, but you gotta realize a player is not the best by himself, he needs FOUR other players. Stop picking on one when the team as a whole is playing bad. And when the entire team is directionless and one player has been repeatedly praised for providing leadership and draft strategy? Given how kuro is still drafting and shot calling, thats on him not bulba. Sure, but we can at least end the myth that he provides anything except his own play. I agree, it's not really rocket science - teams with Bulba in them don't succeed.. even if he isn't the only one to blame, the pattern is pretty clear. Kuro hasn't been nowhere near as effective with him as Kuro was before with Jerax. It's an obviously massive downgrade and the "leadership" hasn't accounted to anything. Yeah its not like miracle has been a huge downgrade from fata, its all bulbas fault lamo We were talking about Bulba right? I wasn't commenting on Miracle, but his play hasn't been exceptional either. Although I'd say the invisible support play was largely the reason he didn't take off in a lot of the games. We're talking about why this team is failing, and the big reason is that FATA could win 1v1s and not feed when people went agressive against mid, leaving the supports able to make space for matu and help MC in the offlane. Miracle can't do that, leaving supports with 3 lanes they have ot try to help. Sure you could argue that. You could also argue that FATA had a lot of help from his supports. Don't get me wrong, FATA was awesome in churning out a solid net worth all the time, but even more of the laning stage is on supports. Jerax was absolutely killer in ganking the midlane, FATA definetely wasn't left alone as much as Miracle in this iteration of Liquid. I believe he said exactly the opposite. FATA didn't need as much help as Miracle seems to need to win his lane or even survive multiple ganks.
And thats just random arguments.
FATA took a lot of help from jerax, jerax was baby sitting with ww, es and tusk. All the heroes are made for mid pressure and thats what jerax did and bulba is not offering to miracle in mid.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Well the thing is, most liquid fans live in the past. They still remember the glorious epicenter times, where liquid owned everyone. But times change, you gotta accept what you have, and dont complain all the time. In my opinion they are still too stubborn with their all mmr based roster. the players on this roster just have a certain limit, and will never be a consistent tier 1 team. But at least you have a team. Unlike the times where tl dota was dead, and you had no team to cheer for a long time. That was a shitty time, i can tell you. Ok now hate me all you want, as usual 
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On October 31 2016 05:50 Anamorph wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2016 05:24 Racket wrote:On October 31 2016 05:13 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 05:07 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 05:02 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 04:56 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:54 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 04:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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And when the entire team is directionless and one player has been repeatedly praised for providing leadership and draft strategy? Given how kuro is still drafting and shot calling, thats on him not bulba. Sure, but we can at least end the myth that he provides anything except his own play. I agree, it's not really rocket science - teams with Bulba in them don't succeed.. even if he isn't the only one to blame, the pattern is pretty clear. Kuro hasn't been nowhere near as effective with him as Kuro was before with Jerax. It's an obviously massive downgrade and the "leadership" hasn't accounted to anything. Yeah its not like miracle has been a huge downgrade from fata, its all bulbas fault lamo We were talking about Bulba right? I wasn't commenting on Miracle, but his play hasn't been exceptional either. Although I'd say the invisible support play was largely the reason he didn't take off in a lot of the games. We're talking about why this team is failing, and the big reason is that FATA could win 1v1s and not feed when people went agressive against mid, leaving the supports able to make space for matu and help MC in the offlane. Miracle can't do that, leaving supports with 3 lanes they have ot try to help. Sure you could argue that. You could also argue that FATA had a lot of help from his supports. Don't get me wrong, FATA was awesome in churning out a solid net worth all the time, but even more of the laning stage is on supports. Jerax was absolutely killer in ganking the midlane, FATA definetely wasn't left alone as much as Miracle in this iteration of Liquid. I believe he said exactly the opposite. FATA didn't need as much help as Miracle seems to need to win his lane or even survive multiple ganks. And thats just random arguments. FATA took a lot of help from jerax, jerax was baby sitting with ww, es and tusk. All the heroes are made for mid pressure and thats what jerax did and bulba is not offering to miracle in mid.
Its ok, I mean he misread the whole post.
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at least we're not alliance fans guys.
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Srsly... This fan war on this forum builds a TL A rivalry that doesn't even exist rofl... I mean I am just sitting here and enjoying the show when bluzi, hunter and so on throw their poo poo at one another but cmon guys just enjoy each other. I also was salty as fuck last yea, and I also have teams I dont like for no rational reason.
But it gives you nothing to rant at each other on a TL forum :O Yea you made 1 person more dislike you n1. I just dont understand this. Sport is emotional and thats ok but this here exceeded these kind of emotions long ago 
But hey its still giving me a good laugh over here.
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On October 31 2016 05:57 GumBa wrote:Well the thing is, most liquid fans live in the past. They still remember the glorious epicenter times, where liquid owned everyone. But times change, you gotta accept what you have, and dont complain all the time. In my opinion they are still too stubborn with their all mmr based roster. the players on this roster just have a certain limit, and will never be a consistent tier 1 team. But at least you have a team. Unlike the times where tl dota was dead, and you had no team to cheer for a long time. That was a shitty time, i can tell you. Ok now hate me all you want, as usual
Lol at least we dont have to live 3 years in the past, since we were actually a strong team some month ago;)
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i just like to flame alliance tbh
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Most of the problems since the qulifiers started came from drafts. They look way better ingame than they did 1 week ago. Maybe it is worth it to stick together and find the strategy that works.
I've been reading the posts about how bad bulba is or how to replace MC. Have you watched liquids last 20 games?
Plays from Bulba and MC are pretty much the reason the didn't fail miserably.
If i have to rate individual performance post TI it will be like that
1. Bulba
2. Matu
3 MC
4. Kuro
5. Miraacle
Miracle underperformed hard. He really carried 1 game when he owned Envy mid with ursa.
Still The gameplay in game looks better and better their biggest weakness during qualifiers and especially today was draft imo. This means that its probably worth it to stick together. We'll see.
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nah matu dropped the ball today as well. I really like the guy but today wasn't his day. As was it for the whole of liquid tbh.
Sad but just like last year i'm gonna continue supporting liquid as its my team i've supported throughout my whole years of watching dota and sc2. Hope they can bounce back
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
I think Bulba was overall the most consistent player this major quali tbh
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being the best player on a dysfunctional team doesn't count for much unfortunately
the team has to actually work in order for individual performance to matter, the way it's gone for Liquid we have no idea who's really the problem and who isn't
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On October 31 2016 08:33 Talin wrote:
being the best player on a dysfunctional team doesn't count for much unfortunately
the team has to actually work in order for individual performance to matter, the way it's gone for Liquid we have no idea who's really the problem and who isn't
When you got a disfunctional team I think it's fair to say that the leadership / captain is the problem
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On October 31 2016 05:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2016 05:19 LemOn wrote:On October 31 2016 05:06 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 05:02 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:54 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 04:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:44 Racket wrote:
That moment when the weak link is the most stable player on the team. WTF? You can be fans, but you gotta realize a player is not the best by himself, he needs FOUR other players. Stop picking on one when the team as a whole is playing bad. And when the entire team is directionless and one player has been repeatedly praised for providing leadership and draft strategy? Given how kuro is still drafting and shot calling, thats on him not bulba. Sure, but we can at least end the myth that he provides anything except his own play. I agree, it's not really rocket science - teams with Bulba in them don't succeed.. even if he isn't the only one to blame, the pattern is pretty clear. Kuro hasn't been nowhere near as effective with him as Kuro was before with Jerax. It's an obviously massive downgrade and the "leadership" hasn't accounted to anything. lol are we really blaming bulba for aui carry, scamcret and miracle looking like a account buyer? Most teams fail, blaming one player for that is pretty silly I wouldn't say Bulba ruins teams. But he's not the player you bring in to take a two time Major finalist and top 8 TI team up to trophy level. You say you'd believe the players more than me, fine. So why do the players only recruit Bulba when they're in need of spaces to fill and on a deadline? Eh he's been the best player on the team, you just don't notice as Kuro shoves him on ogre/oracle/undying most of the time, and those heroes copy the fate of the team. When he played a nyx4 he singlehandedly won that game, his disruptor was great as well, did the same, his rubick was good too when Kuro let him play it before the whole Kuro Matumba shenanigans started it looked like they finally put him on 4 supports playmakers , then they started swapping he had to 5 again... you have an offlaner on aggro support and he played those really well. You guys mentioning Bulba have obviously not seen most of their games, be honest and tell me you have seen >50pct since TI. All this bullshit was said before he joined but if you still keep repetitively spewing that you haven't watched the actual team play Bulba's always been good on certain heroes, decent at others, and is generally not a shit player. But people always say he's good at drafting, has early game leadership, contributes a lot to strategy, and yet across all teams his been on bad early game and bad drafting has been a consistent theme. And no, he's only been the captain on a couple of those teams, but this has been such a running gag that the only explanation is that A) his skills in those regards are highly overrated by other players, or B) other players recognize he's great, just that the 40 or so teammates he's had in the last 3 years all choose to ignore him.
What exactly do you mean his former teammates ignore him? You realize he had other offers this cycle right?
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On October 31 2016 12:34 5-s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2016 05:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 05:19 LemOn wrote:On October 31 2016 05:06 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 05:02 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:54 Jinkku wrote:On October 31 2016 04:50 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 Jaaaaasper wrote:On October 31 2016 04:47 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 31 2016 04:44 Racket wrote:
That moment when the weak link is the most stable player on the team. WTF? You can be fans, but you gotta realize a player is not the best by himself, he needs FOUR other players. Stop picking on one when the team as a whole is playing bad. And when the entire team is directionless and one player has been repeatedly praised for providing leadership and draft strategy? Given how kuro is still drafting and shot calling, thats on him not bulba. Sure, but we can at least end the myth that he provides anything except his own play. I agree, it's not really rocket science - teams with Bulba in them don't succeed.. even if he isn't the only one to blame, the pattern is pretty clear. Kuro hasn't been nowhere near as effective with him as Kuro was before with Jerax. It's an obviously massive downgrade and the "leadership" hasn't accounted to anything. lol are we really blaming bulba for aui carry, scamcret and miracle looking like a account buyer? Most teams fail, blaming one player for that is pretty silly I wouldn't say Bulba ruins teams. But he's not the player you bring in to take a two time Major finalist and top 8 TI team up to trophy level. You say you'd believe the players more than me, fine. So why do the players only recruit Bulba when they're in need of spaces to fill and on a deadline? Eh he's been the best player on the team, you just don't notice as Kuro shoves him on ogre/oracle/undying most of the time, and those heroes copy the fate of the team. When he played a nyx4 he singlehandedly won that game, his disruptor was great as well, did the same, his rubick was good too when Kuro let him play it before the whole Kuro Matumba shenanigans started it looked like they finally put him on 4 supports playmakers , then they started swapping he had to 5 again... you have an offlaner on aggro support and he played those really well. You guys mentioning Bulba have obviously not seen most of their games, be honest and tell me you have seen >50pct since TI. All this bullshit was said before he joined but if you still keep repetitively spewing that you haven't watched the actual team play Bulba's always been good on certain heroes, decent at others, and is generally not a shit player. But people always say he's good at drafting, has early game leadership, contributes a lot to strategy, and yet across all teams his been on bad early game and bad drafting has been a consistent theme. And no, he's only been the captain on a couple of those teams, but this has been such a running gag that the only explanation is that A) his skills in those regards are highly overrated by other players, or B) other players recognize he's great, just that the 40 or so teammates he's had in the last 3 years all choose to ignore him. What exactly do you mean his former teammates ignore him? You realize he had other offers this cycle right?
dude you've got the fucking narrative wrong, bulba is actually shit, and apparently every pro player doesn't know this
But a random guy on LD? Fuck yeah.
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