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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
October 30 2016 19:04 GMT
#2781
Kick miracle boys.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 30 2016 19:04 GMT
#2782
miracle plz...
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-30 19:07:16
October 30 2016 19:06 GMT
#2783
Who would have thought that in this lineup it'll be the 2 9k players the ones choking when it really mattered
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 30 2016 19:07 GMT
#2784
gief Fata- back (((((
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
Noogie
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada49 Posts
October 30 2016 19:08 GMT
#2785
I rescind my whoops. And reinterate....Bulba effect....I forgot he always has to make it like taking your heart out with a spoon.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-30 19:10:09
October 30 2016 19:09 GMT
#2786
Miracle playing god awful if we exclude that 3 man invisible rp.
Need more practice time for liquid
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
October 30 2016 19:11 GMT
#2787
On October 31 2016 04:08 Noogie wrote:
I rescind my whoops. And reinterate....Bulba effect....I forgot he always has to make it like taking your heart out with a spoon.

He was the best, most stable player on the team since they started
I guess he is just one unlucky son of a bitch
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Jinkku
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland36 Posts
October 30 2016 19:15 GMT
#2788
On October 31 2016 04:09 SkelA wrote:
Miracle playing god awful if we exclude that 3 man invisible rp.
Need more practice time for liquid


Well time they will indeed have, since they won't be busy playing in the Major, Summit or Dotapit Lans and even Dreamleague is looking shaky.

Calling disband here will obviously get hate, but you gotta wonder if they really do want to keep playing together after this run..
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-30 19:20:36
October 30 2016 19:17 GMT
#2789
I think that they've already come to the conclusion that Matumba and Miracle are just not a good fit, pretty self evident with the role swapping. Miracle is not good enough on heroes like bat/nyx (very very bad nyx) Matu can't play stuff like Huskar, slardar. And when they both have farming cores their farming paths intersected every single game, even when it was matu AM Miracle Puck.

Either Miracle's out and we get a playmaker mid
Or Matumba is gone, with someone with Notail's skillset joining (or Kuro on carry, but it's super hard to captain from there)
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
October 30 2016 19:20 GMT
#2790
On October 31 2016 04:17 LemOn wrote:
I think that they've already come to the conclusion that Matumba and Miracle are just not a good fit, pretty self evident with the role swapping.

Either Miracle's out and we get a playmaker mid
Or Matumba is gone, with someone with Notail's skillset joining (or Kuro on carry, but it's super hard to captain from there)


I think you need one of your big cores to be a co-captain who makes calls (which pretty sure Fata was). It wouldn't surprise me if in OG n0tail was that guy, not sure how active Miracle, Matu or MC are in that area.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
October 30 2016 19:21 GMT
#2791
Well that was a frustrating way to go out, after this nailbaiting game 2. They clearly dont deserve to be at the major, but if u ask me, teams like mvp and exreation also dont. Well what can you do, still hope they work things out. They have a lot of time now, with no officials other then dreamleague....just sad right now to be hones
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-30 19:28:23
October 30 2016 19:23 GMT
#2792
Miracle not at all, very quiet guy according to bulldog
Bulba is also chill, so is MC, matumba is the positive guy but not sure how much he talks ingame

Old Liquid Fata apparently was calling stuff ingame, Jerax was very vocal as well


And yeah I think Notail carried Miracle to his status by simply being the one coordinating with him and carrying him with his team presence and communication - you could rarely see them going for the same camps, lanes, where now it happens every game many times.

The last game was a glaring example - Nyx magnus are a sick combo with 2 very coordinated players that communicate constantly. And it was almost a tragic fail with literally 1 rp all game where Miracle was solo anyways.


Oh well, both are great players, just not together, unless there won't be any slots in decent teams at all it's for the best that they decided to not play them together
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 30 2016 19:32 GMT
#2793
On October 31 2016 04:20 spudde123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2016 04:17 LemOn wrote:
I think that they've already come to the conclusion that Matumba and Miracle are just not a good fit, pretty self evident with the role swapping.

Either Miracle's out and we get a playmaker mid
Or Matumba is gone, with someone with Notail's skillset joining (or Kuro on carry, but it's super hard to captain from there)


I think you need one of your big cores to be a co-captain who makes calls (which pretty sure Fata was). It wouldn't surprise me if in OG n0tail was that guy, not sure how active Miracle, Matu or MC are in that area.

N0tail? and Miracle? What? That would drag him back. :rolleyes:
Ogram
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland8 Posts
October 30 2016 19:32 GMT
#2794
God damn it, I'm trying my hardest to be a Liquid fan but damn, they're making it hard. This is not going to be a good season.

I think it's time for Miracle to go...
Emergent Perkele
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 30 2016 19:36 GMT
#2795
Endlessly shuffling between cores doesn't do anything when a team is leaderless.

And considering that Bulba somehow keeps getting praise for being a strategist, analyst and leader, yeah, a lot of that responsibility is going to be on him (and Kuro).
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Jinkku
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland36 Posts
October 30 2016 19:38 GMT
#2796
Honestly after watching most games with this new lineup, the biggest thing that stands out to me was the lack of great support plays. Shows just how big of an impact Jerax had in enabling the cores to do well.

I'm not gonna hate on Bulba here, if anything Kuros play was largely lackluster on the 4 position. Anyhow this team has a lot of problems and personally I hope they will revamp the lineup. This will be a long season indeed, if only because we have to wait a long time to see Liquid battle again in truly meaningful games.

Noogie
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada49 Posts
October 30 2016 19:39 GMT
#2797
On October 31 2016 04:11 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2016 04:08 Noogie wrote:
I rescind my whoops. And reinterate....Bulba effect....I forgot he always has to make it like taking your heart out with a spoon.

He was the best, most stable player on the team since they started
I guess he is just one unlucky son of a bitch


I would call it Karma because you prob don't know how he was in Dota 1 days. But ya.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 30 2016 19:44 GMT
#2798
That moment when the weak link is the most stable player on the team. WTF? You can be fans, but you gotta realize a player is not the best by himself, he needs FOUR other players. Stop picking on one when the team as a whole is playing bad.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-30 19:48:11
October 30 2016 19:45 GMT
#2799
I still think MC is silently the worst player on the team. There's time to figure out team synergy but I don't know why you'd stick with an offlaner that has no potential to carry the game. He's just kinda there, kinda doing ok hoping for his mid and safelane to win the game for him *shrugs*.
I think esports is pretty nice.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 30 2016 19:47 GMT
#2800
On October 31 2016 04:44 Racket wrote:
That moment when the weak link is the most stable player on the team. WTF? You can be fans, but you gotta realize a player is not the best by himself, he needs FOUR other players. Stop picking on one when the team as a whole is playing bad.

And when the entire team is directionless and one player has been repeatedly praised for providing leadership and draft strategy?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
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