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Exoteric
Australia2330 Posts
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
There is a shuffle coming and after missing this major it feels different than the first one last year. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On October 31 2016 14:07 giftdgecko wrote: So, for the sake of discussion, let's say the team breaks up. Matu seems frustrated, MC feels like he has regressed, Kuro's drafting is suspect, Miracle isn't fitting in, Bulba. Who does liquid keep, who to build on? Is it a fresh break, start anew? There is a shuffle coming and after missing this major it feels different than the first one last year. https://twitter.com/LiquidMATUMBA/status/792821673879887872 https://twitter.com/LiquidKuroKy/status/792831656805687296 Well matumba is frustrated of course, but the kuro tweet means nothing. He wrote exactly the same thing when the old liquid failed to qualify for frankfurt, just scroll down a bit;) | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On October 31 2016 14:46 DucK- wrote: Can't wait for Bulba to get kicked, yapzor to replace him, and liquid to start dominating again. yeah becuase bulba is the problem lol, not miracle looking like a account buyer or kuros drafting or their flip flopping matu and kuro or MC feeding. Did bulba make miracle miss those rp's too? | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On October 31 2016 14:46 DucK- wrote: Can't wait for Bulba to get kicked, yapzor to replace him, and liquid to start dominating again. yeah i can't believe bulba would lose mid every game and whiff RPs, as well as forcing a carry and support to swap roles, and his offlane to feed | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
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TurboNash
36 Posts
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danielbe
Colombia24 Posts
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viermalvier
Austria115 Posts
On October 31 2016 05:31 LemOn wrote: Well Bulldog described him as "chill" ingame - he likely adds to team chemistry and friendliness but not towards ingame shot calling. I always assumed it was Kuro doing that, maybe Jerax and Fata had more vocal influence than we thought, and it wasn't Kuro. The biggest issue now is coordination between the players, Miracle matu the most, but also MC and the team (tide game) perhaps the voices of Jerax and Fata are missing, Bulba played really well, Miracle nobody doubts but they are guys with not much voice and it can be the thing missing. there was one epi-chat with matu and jerax, when they were still 5jungz, i think - they said it was kuro who made the game plan and draft, but jerax (early) and fata (late) who made the calls ingame, sometimes mc if he had a good game. so they lost both their ingame leaders... | ||
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RolleMcKnolle
Germany1054 Posts
This is bulba writing to EE. So they are not sure whether they are going to disband. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On October 31 2016 17:07 RolleMcKnolle wrote: Just found this on reddit: https://imgur.com/a/q7CUJ#xFpW93T This is bulba writing to EE. So they are not sure whether they are going to disband. No way they disband, that would make no sense. Maybe they switch players though, who knows. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
Sadly they can't fix this with this lineup, the experienced players that could captain in game are not the kind of people that can do it. Currently I see no solution for them, but hey, what do I know, I'm just a random scrub, and I would be more than happy to see this 5 guys fix this on their own. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On October 31 2016 16:06 danielbe wrote: No matter how much it hurts... the weakest link this qualifier was miracle. He's not the same one that played for OG. Sure, you can point out differences in his supports, but it still doesn't account for the fact that he missed 3 RP's in a deciding game, and that he lost mid every, single, fucking game they lost. Jesus christ, he's playing like me, maybe just a bit better. Eh? No he hasn't what are you on about, large majority of their games he was top if net worth, farming very solidly just with some typical aggressive farm feeds caused often by matu soaking his safe farming paths. And teams spent a lot on shutting him down too. Magnus he's not exactly known for, and Kuro drafted him more heroes like that (Nyx, bat) he's just not experienced with/that don't fit his playstyle because matu can't play initiators that'd allow Miracle always on farming cores (and swap 1+2too if necessary). | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On October 31 2016 06:03 Gear 3rd wrote: Srsly... This fan war on this forum builds a TL A rivalry that doesn't even exist rofl... I mean I am just sitting here and enjoying the show when bluzi, hunter and so on throw their poo poo at one another but cmon guys just enjoy each other. I also was salty as fuck last yea, and I also have teams I dont like for no rational reason. But it gives you nothing to rant at each other on a TL forum :O Yea you made 1 person more dislike you n1. I just dont understand this. Sport is emotional and thats ok but this here exceeded these kind of emotions long ago But hey its still giving me a good laugh over here. Well my poo poo is always a retaliation poopoo , does it count for something ?  , too bad Liquid didn't qualify i like their players much more then most teams , KKY and Matu are amazing and fun to watch , one thing we all can safely say (and most of us said it in the past) , a dota team is not a 1 man show no matter what the casters are selling us in the game , Miracle is the SAME player as he was and ppl in this thread that say "he is not the same as OG" are just delusional , there could be a lot of reasons why he underperformed but its not related to the "he is not the same" mantra some are claiming.OG were the top dog because they were the best team and all that Miracle carried them nonsense can now be put to rest as he was unable to carry Liquid through a mediocre EU qualifier (sorry VP/AF). Good luck to the team and hope you guys stick together for another run , i wouldn't mind if you guy picked up Bulldog wouldn't mind seeing him play again (he probably isn't coming back to Alliance). | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On October 31 2016 14:46 DucK- wrote: Can't wait for Bulba to get kicked, yapzor to replace him, and liquid to start dominating again. Well kicking the best player would be questionable, but the team does need an ROTK-like figure that's very vocal again, almost doesn't matter in what position. The team had godlike coordination that won so many games last season, there were so many comebacks it almost seemed like rigged, now I recall just that Bulba disruptor game out of all games they played. That it happened after we got a super quiet focused player mid instead of an active coordinator is no coincidence | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
Before the qualis everyone saw they were having issues in coordination and drafts even. When they started their run this qualis they were doing surprisingly well, but still matu and kuro swaping roles in some games was a bit strange. Overall they got a lot beter but still seem to have troubles, they didn't had enough time to figure it out and I don't think there's anyone to blame. It's just the team. If they need a new-fact or need to tank through this times and get better together i don't know. No one knows, stop saying one thing is the right thing as you own the truth. All 5 of them are capable players that still aren't cohesive. Maybe we should take AD Finem as an example, they haven't swaped players for a long time it seems. Anyway, the top 4 of EU qualifier was really good teams and if Tl didn't qualify maybe it was the opponents merit. Best of luck whatever they decide to do. And please chill, you fucks. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
The #1 problem for liquid was kuro drafts. It felt very uninspired. It has been a year, but kuro drafting is still suspect. Then kuro decided to play carry, and we have 2 supports that can't do shit. Can't gank can't roam, can't even protect very well. They probably ran out of ideas. Bulba played the best, but his support isn't winning games too. His inability to play more challenging supports is forcing kuro to that role. Strangely kuro is struggling considering how good he was in navi as a #4. Bulba was the least worst, but he too is at fault for not allowing miracle to do his thing. Both supports are not protecting him enough, not making plays to allow the cores to snowball. Just being able to land teamfight spells isn't enough as a support. Its like scoring an A for mathematics and getting a D for science. 2 Bs may have been better for the overall scheme of things. I strongly believe liquid needs a better 4, and yapzor is a potential candidate. Then kuro 5 because he is captain and better than Bulba. Now Bulba can replace mc if they want or not and it doesn't matter. The #3 doesn't need to be great, just solid enough to play their role. Maybe Bulba can be better than mc, who knows. MC certainly didn't impress during the past week | ||
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Anamorph
236 Posts
On October 31 2016 19:11 LemOn wrote: Well kicking the best player would be questionable, but the team does need an ROTK-like figure that's very vocal again, almost doesn't matter in what position. The team had godlike coordination that won so many games last season, there were so many comebacks it almost seemed like rigged, now I recall just that Bulba disruptor game out of all games they played. That it happened after we got a super quiet focused player mid instead of an active coordinator is no coincidence and why exactly this is questionable? If he does not fit, no one cares how stable he played. They need a roaming 4th with high impact in the mid matchup. And the ROTK sentence is pure speculation. You dont know who calls their actions, you have no idea who did it before and how vocal fata and jerax are. The only thing we know, that the 4th position with high mid impact is missing and thats why they have a big lane disadvantage in each mid scenario. For miracle its a big difference, he had the supporting ES, IO, etc. backing em up, fata had the ES, tusk, WW mid jerax pressuring.. the only thing we see, miracle does not perform to his standard, without having someone that babysits the mid. I see no difference in his mechanics and I watched each game twice. He is still super stable in terms of last hitting, getting the aggro, and he is still hyper aggressive as he was before, with the difference of having no one backing this action, thats why he looks like he is feeding. I would rather go the way in making miracle and matu worka gain, than letting miracle and matu swap their playstyles and hero pools to fit the non-existent roaming 4th. And their godlike coordination was a lot on jerax - just review the old replays. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On October 31 2016 20:37 DucK- wrote: The #1 problem for liquid was kuro drafts. It felt very uninspired. It has been a year, but kuro drafting is still suspect. I agree drafting (and leadership in general) is an issue, but the question is if Kuro is really doing that himself or is it more like building some sort of a rotten consensus. That being said, Kuro's button pressing has been relatively unimpressive for quite some time. He needs to contribute leadership both in and out of game to justify his value in a tier 1 team imo. | ||
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