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On November 29 2018 17:05 Savatage wrote:
they have played like 2 series with this lineup and they are already judged as shit, i don't think that it's fair to shit on a team before seeing them at least playing at 2 or 3 events
We're just judging Pajkatt, the rest of the team are
1) TI winners with nothing to prove for a long time
2) Still new on their positions i.e. a team with massive potential
Topson still a newcomer to Tier1 scene
7ckngMad, N0tail play on new positions for a couple tourneys only
Just Jerax has pretty much 0 potential to grow, but that's because his default bar is the best in the world with a couple other 4 pos players
And then you have Pajkatt 
The reason why we're judging is because they played like OG always does in the games I watched- enabled their 1 in a massive way through aggro picks on other lanes, even trilaning on his one and he played as expected - mediocre to pretty good failing to make the impact he was supposed to make. They can either chuck him and get a pubstar with huge potential, or try to completely change their style, struggle for months, start putting Topson on more lategame carry oriented heroes which isn't what he is really. . . And then finally give up and boot him anyways. This whole thing is very reminiscent of the Bulba on Liquid stint, it's just a matter of time before they realize it and find their own GH 
EDIT: Again, I hope pajkatt proves me wrong, would be a massive cinderella story if they manage to win even one major with him
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I get why people want something better than Pajkatt. So hot young talent with lots of potential, OG has a proven track record as some of the best to making top talent into world class player, with Miracle, Ana and Topson.
For me the problem is that they still have Ana so i think it is hard to get a player to leave another team when he can return in time for TI.
Also on the plus side is that they properly know Pajkatt as a person and player, being Scandinavian and around a long time.
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On November 29 2018 17:33 LemOn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2018 17:05 Savatage wrote:
they have played like 2 series with this lineup and they are already judged as shit, i don't think that it's fair to shit on a team before seeing them at least playing at 2 or 3 events We're just judging Pajkatt, the rest of the team are 1) TI winners with nothing to prove for a long time 2) Still new on their positions i.e. a team with massive potential Topson still a newcomer to Tier1 scene 7ckngMad, N0tail play on new positions for a couple tourneys only Just Jerax has pretty much 0 potential to grow, but that's because his default bar is the best in the world with a couple other 4 pos players And then you have Pajkatt The reason why we're judging is because they played like OG always does in the games I watched- enabled their 1 in a massive way through aggro picks on other lanes, even trilaning on his one and he played as expected - mediocre to pretty good failing to make the impact he was supposed to make. They can either chuck him and get a pubstar with huge potential, or try to completely change their style, struggle for months, start putting Topson on more lategame carry oriented heroes which isn't what he is really. . . And then finally give up and boot him anyways. This whole thing is very reminiscent of the Bulba on Liquid stint, it's just a matter of time before they realize it and find their own GH EDIT: Again, I hope pajkatt proves me wrong, would be a massive cinderella story if they manage to win even one major with him
I dont think you can say OG has nothing to prove. Yeah they won TI, but that's literally the only acchievement they had all season, although it's the biggest one by far. What I mean is, they were basically really good for 2 weeks, and that's it. The rest of the year, they were just a tier 2 team like many others. Yeah I know that was mostly with a different roster, but the fact remains. so they have to prove some consistency in my opinion. And yeah it's early, but it's not looking like they can do that to me. We will see though, I also had them 12th-16th place in my TI prediction, you never know.
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I'm talking from a disband perspective - those 4 guys have many months until they should even consider that, there's nothing bigger for them and the team has huge room to grow.
I just hope N0tail won't be the loyal doofus he can sometimes be and ruthlessly realize he should build a team based on potential so they have a chance to be a TOP5 contender next TI again and will treat Pajkatt as a disposable stand-in when things don't go great in the first month or two
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Is too early to think of the next TI - long time until summer 2019. Yes OG has nothing else to prove but to themselves atm since they won everything there is to win in these years (just look at Alliance won TI years ago or EG those players are still regarded as GODS of Dota).
N0tail was/is always a doofus , thats why people like him  - except when it matters or if he gets triggered enough to actualy have the desire to win regardless of what anyone think of him.
Still I hope they manage to qualify but they need time to grow as a new team; I hope Pajkatt starts going from a passive to an active cary and won`t end up like Resolution.
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The most random / unworthy / pissed / disgraceful champion of the International in history.
Og sucked 1.5 seasons and decided to return to his favorite job (suck diks).
Congratulations to the fans of this garbage, suck on like your team, mediocrity.
Aahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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On November 29 2018 17:33 LemOn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2018 17:05 Savatage wrote:
they have played like 2 series with this lineup and they are already judged as shit, i don't think that it's fair to shit on a team before seeing them at least playing at 2 or 3 events We're just judging Pajkatt, the rest of the team are 1) TI winners with nothing to prove for a long time 2) Still new on their positions i.e. a team with massive potential Topson still a newcomer to Tier1 scene 7ckngMad, N0tail play on new positions for a couple tourneys only Just Jerax has pretty much 0 potential to grow, but that's because his default bar is the best in the world with a couple other 4 pos players And then you have Pajkatt The reason why we're judging is because they played like OG always does in the games I watched- enabled their 1 in a massive way through aggro picks on other lanes, even trilaning on his one and he played as expected - mediocre to pretty good failing to make the impact he was supposed to make. They can either chuck him and get a pubstar with huge potential, or try to completely change their style, struggle for months, start putting Topson on more lategame carry oriented heroes which isn't what he is really. . . And then finally give up and boot him anyways. This whole thing is very reminiscent of the Bulba on Liquid stint, it's just a matter of time before they realize it and find their own GH EDIT: Again, I hope pajkatt proves me wrong, would be a massive cinderella story if they manage to win even one major with him
Write more excuses clown. You are a fanatic of pissing trash
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On November 29 2018 18:09 Sapaio wrote:
I get why people want something better than Pajkatt. So hot young talent with lots of potential, OG has a proven track record as some of the best to making top talent into world class player, with Miracle, Ana and Topson.
For me the problem is that they still have Ana so i think it is hard to get a player to leave another team when he can return in time for TI.
Also on the plus side is that they properly know Pajkatt as a person and player, being Scandinavian and around a long time.
How can these 2 mediocrity in general be put on a par with the Miracle? FACEPALM
One won 3 tournaments, second - one.
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You'd think people would have better things to do with their time than to make a bunch of accounts just to put down professional dota teams, but I suppose not.
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On November 30 2018 02:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
You'd think people would have better things to do with their time than to make a bunch of accounts just to put down professional dota teams, but I suppose not.
Yup...
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Ay they should maybe give nemphy a try. Good Finnish core player that never really had a chance with a good team.
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i mean, they should give pajkatt a try, they played like 2 series with him. You added him into this you might as well try to make it work
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I watched all the game only now.
OG looked pretty bad vs Alliance, of course it's to early to judge, new player, new patch, the all took a pretty long break, but damn if they looked bad:
-i was not sold on Pajkatt, but he underperformed even for my low expectations, a lot of questionable plays, like blinking on the SF requiem (they won that game but still), or going hyper aggressive on Jug vs a trilane with luna-io
-Topson also made some really bad plays, even at TI he was often out of position, but this tme i felt a little too much. Blinking randomly with Pugna, throwing himself into duoble stun as OD and so on. (he for sure had some great plays too and still he always dominated his lane, but it wasnt enough)
-Jerax and Notail seem like they didnt playe for a year, i know that Jerax took the longest break of them all, but they were really lacking on execution
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It wasnt pajkatt fault that the draft is so bad. I dont get the OD pick at all. Hes just bad in current patch even if you could flash farm. Instead of randomly gain mana, now you will have a period of not having mana.
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new patch, they haven't practiced and new player on team, give them time and if pajjkat is not good enough, he can always be replaced.
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On November 30 2018 10:59 crocshark wrote:
It wasnt pajkatt fault that the draft is so bad. I dont get the OD pick at all. Hes just bad in current patch even if you could flash farm. Instead of randomly gain mana, now you will have a period of not having mana.
totally agree, that doesnt redeem them for playing bad, and i'm not saying just Pajkatt, look at the Jug game, they tried to trilane vs Io-Luna-Pheonix, how do you think as a pro player that going aggro trilane is a good idea, and they also played it ultraaggressive. That's just bad dacision and i was shocked watching the game that they made such a tactical mistake.
Don't get me wrong, i really think they played like note even half of their full potential cause they literally started playing again not even a week ago. Well with minor qualifier (and hoping thew qualify) they will have more time to practice.
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well it's a good way to go for the busen "starter carry position", glad I missed 3rd game, they still played 3 series for good practice & will go into minor for more.
Yes Minishield that AM blink into Requiem was amazing, never seen anything like that in a pro game before! & Juggernaut felt weak but these aren't Ana heroes either... and Topson Ember also not in Ana's class. Don;t think Lich is a good N0tail hero but they all got to try different things no matter what because TI winners have to play different stuff to avoid Icenerfs. They didn't even look too bad in the Alliance games I saw (not game3 ), just seemed to reach a tipping point then lost.
somehow I hated they won game 1 in 10min vs HpM - it doesn't make you work harder & you can slack off, like OG 22-0 MVP Phoenix before TI6, then lost to them on main stage.
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OG does well with superstar players like Ana and Miracle, Pajkatt just isn't that guy. That doesn't mean he's bad but I think he doesn't bring the same thing to the table that they do.
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On November 30 2018 23:09 juuto wrote:
OG does well with superstar players like Ana and Miracle, Pajkatt just isn't that guy. That doesn't mean he's bad but I think he doesn't bring the same thing to the table that they do.
ana started from 5k mmr, with OG ana got better, he wasnt always that good, he wasnt a superstar either but he became one, i do agree, pajkatt is not ana or miracle but i think he has potential.
as for ANA that he is now, he is on a different tier than any other carry, he is a legend now and comparison with him is unfair to pajkatt .
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On December 01 2018 02:21 warrior4093 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2018 23:09 juuto wrote:
OG does well with superstar players like Ana and Miracle, Pajkatt just isn't that guy. That doesn't mean he's bad but I think he doesn't bring the same thing to the table that they do. ana started from 5k mmr, with OG ana got better, he wasnt always that good, he wasnt a superstar either but he became one, i do agree, pajkatt is not ana or miracle but i think he has potential. as for ANA that he is now, he is on a different tier than any other carry, he is a legend now and comparison with him is unfair to pajkatt .
Ana was fairly new at that time so we didn't know what he was capable of. Pajkatt is not new and we already know what he can bring to the table.
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