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On January 12 2015 02:31 NInoff wrote:
The team needs drafter / captain thats all. They loose 2/3 of their games because of bad draft / in game calls.
The others they loose due to various reasons, but it is expected to loose against pro teams, i mean all of them are damn good.
You can't blame some personal mistakes of being bad carry. Qojqva is one of the best farmers in the world, he doesn't have enough experience in high tension games to improve his positioning a bit, and he almost never played ( since he came in to Liquid) with a captain that you can rely on. Qojqva is not the problem. TT has synergy problems as did Liquid. I was always amazed how bad the team coordination is / was. I'm saying that right after watching PR vs NaVi game 3. I mean PR won not by having better players, nor better experience - they won by incredible teamwork... In team games this is the most important thing.
Now back on the synergy - i will never ever forget a game of Liquid several weeks before the BlogBoy got kicked: Fluff died in radiant jungle big camp to a smoke gank. Then the dire went to the Middle T1, and TC was farming the small camp on the way... that was like 6 seconds later. I mean how fakin hard can it be to say "Guys i died to a 3 man smoke gank and ping the location" so your carry doesn't have to die 6 seconds later... I mean even in pub games people are pinging...
I think that if Jerax can draft decently and not get outdrafted 6/10 games, and fit in the in game synergy they can do very well. They definitely have the experience and the skill to do it - they only lack coordination.
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Cascadia1754 Posts
I have to agree a bit. Look at goblak for Navi. Against alliance his play was pretty awful, with lots of unneccessary feeding, but his drafts all won. The wisp bristle lost all lanes, but there was still nothing alliance could do once it hit midgame, because the draft had a solid idea behind it, and it was actually fairly easy to play. Bristle charges in vs 3 melee, wisp and Magnus sitting back waiting for them to focus him (which they would have to). The winning drafts more than compensated for Goblak's poor play.
If Goblak was a better player.. navi may have won the quals, but they still managed to qualify.
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so where's this about jerax joining TT? Dude's actually legit.
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MATUMBAMAN said this in his stream last night, that 4ASC is disbanding and JerAx is joining TT.
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On January 12 2015 04:05 Tephus wrote:
I have to agree a bit. Look at goblak for Navi. Against alliance his play was pretty awful, with lots of unneccessary feeding, but his drafts all won. The wisp bristle lost all lanes, but there was still nothing alliance could do once it hit midgame, because the draft had a solid idea behind it, and it was actually fairly easy to play. Bristle charges in vs 3 melee, wisp and Magnus sitting back waiting for them to focus him (which they would have to). The winning drafts more than compensated for Goblak's poor play.
If Goblak was a better player.. navi may have won the quals, but they still managed to qualify.
Same have been said about syndern and maelk when they played. And 7ckingmad.
Dota is a 5 man game, need a captain for that. If the captain plays a bit weaker for the rest of his team to succeed it's usually better than everyone being selfish.
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Yeah. Sick of people spouting their confirmation bias about players on TT when it's obvious how badly they are all hurting from lack of leadership. If Jerax can fix that, it's a whole new ballgame.
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but nothing can fix sing being overrated
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yea
a team with sing would never place not even top 8 at ti
am i right
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worse players have won TI before
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Sing was probably C9's best player at TI but people want to believe whatever narrative they want to believe. There were no talks about him being overrated but as soon as C9 goes a different direction with Fata, Sing is shit tier. Sure maybe there were communication issues, but they grabbed a player known for building mek and who was good on patch heroes. Now mek gets nerfed, the heroes got nerfed, and C9 still hasn't won anything even during an off season that features a shit Navi, bad Alliance team, and new teams everywhere. Now they felt the need to drop Aui and PLD as well. I mean good luck to C9 but their TI14 team was probably the best it will ever be and if you think Sing was the reason they couldn't do better you're delusional.
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IMO the western scene still highly underrates the importance of the 4/5 roles and especially the synergy which exists between the support duo. Unless Jerax/Bulba have some sick coordination, I do not see this change actually resulting in that much improvement. They need to find a solid support duo (I'm sorry I do not think Bulba fits in there) but unfortunately the western scene is pretty devoid of good supports.
It's not just a lack of leadership that is plaguing this team. All their current players have weaknesses to their game which aren't simply fixed by a strong leader and team coordination.
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On January 12 2015 10:06 Murkinlol wrote:
Sing was probably C9's best player at TI but people want to believe whatever narrative they want to believe. There were no talks about him being overrated but as soon as C9 goes a different direction with Fata, Sing is shit tier. Sure maybe there were communication issues, but they grabbed a player known for building mek and who was good on patch heroes. Now mek gets nerfed, the heroes got nerfed, and C9 still hasn't won anything even during an off season that features a shit Navi, bad Alliance team, and new teams everywhere. Now they felt the need to drop Aui and PLD as well. I mean good luck to C9 but their TI14 team was probably the best it will ever be and if you think Sing was the reason they couldn't do better you're delusional.
I've always thought sing was shit and overrated, there's a reason c9 won with RTZ in mid and not with Sing.
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On January 12 2015 12:00 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 10:06 Murkinlol wrote:
Sing was probably C9's best player at TI but people want to believe whatever narrative they want to believe. There were no talks about him being overrated but as soon as C9 goes a different direction with Fata, Sing is shit tier. Sure maybe there were communication issues, but they grabbed a player known for building mek and who was good on patch heroes. Now mek gets nerfed, the heroes got nerfed, and C9 still hasn't won anything even during an off season that features a shit Navi, bad Alliance team, and new teams everywhere. Now they felt the need to drop Aui and PLD as well. I mean good luck to C9 but their TI14 team was probably the best it will ever be and if you think Sing was the reason they couldn't do better you're delusional. I've always thought sing was shit and overrated, there's a reason c9 won with RTZ in mid and not with Sing.
Because being worse than RTZ means you're shit? That's some pretty harsh reasoning.
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On January 12 2015 12:00 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 10:06 Murkinlol wrote:
Sing was probably C9's best player at TI but people want to believe whatever narrative they want to believe. There were no talks about him being overrated but as soon as C9 goes a different direction with Fata, Sing is shit tier. Sure maybe there were communication issues, but they grabbed a player known for building mek and who was good on patch heroes. Now mek gets nerfed, the heroes got nerfed, and C9 still hasn't won anything even during an off season that features a shit Navi, bad Alliance team, and new teams everywhere. Now they felt the need to drop Aui and PLD as well. I mean good luck to C9 but their TI14 team was probably the best it will ever be and if you think Sing was the reason they couldn't do better you're delusional. I've always thought sing was shit and overrated, there's a reason c9 won with RTZ in mid and not with Sing.
And RTZ was given #1 farm. You could say there's a reason they won with RTZ carrying and not Envy. Or there's a reason they won without Bone7 etc...
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On January 12 2015 12:00 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 10:06 Murkinlol wrote:
Sing was probably C9's best player at TI but people want to believe whatever narrative they want to believe. There were no talks about him being overrated but as soon as C9 goes a different direction with Fata, Sing is shit tier. Sure maybe there were communication issues, but they grabbed a player known for building mek and who was good on patch heroes. Now mek gets nerfed, the heroes got nerfed, and C9 still hasn't won anything even during an off season that features a shit Navi, bad Alliance team, and new teams everywhere. Now they felt the need to drop Aui and PLD as well. I mean good luck to C9 but their TI14 team was probably the best it will ever be and if you think Sing was the reason they couldn't do better you're delusional. I've always thought sing was shit and overrated, there's a reason c9 won with RTZ in mid and not with Sing.
That's pretty harsh. If you recall EE's interview a while back, he acknowledged Sing's capacity as a mid lane player. :/
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On January 12 2015 12:00 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 10:06 Murkinlol wrote:
Sing was probably C9's best player at TI but people want to believe whatever narrative they want to believe. There were no talks about him being overrated but as soon as C9 goes a different direction with Fata, Sing is shit tier. Sure maybe there were communication issues, but they grabbed a player known for building mek and who was good on patch heroes. Now mek gets nerfed, the heroes got nerfed, and C9 still hasn't won anything even during an off season that features a shit Navi, bad Alliance team, and new teams everywhere. Now they felt the need to drop Aui and PLD as well. I mean good luck to C9 but their TI14 team was probably the best it will ever be and if you think Sing was the reason they couldn't do better you're delusional. I've always thought sing was shit
Then you're an idiot and don't know shit about dota. [1]
Ofc, unless you think ee's the kind of person to be polite and overstate things or don't know too much about mid players that he's played with. Or just open your eyes and actually watch games.
and overrated
That one you can at least make an argument for without looking stupid.
there's a reason c9 won with RTZ in mid and not with Sing.
Impeccable logic, that was definitely the only change between MLG and every other tournament C9's been in.
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Boy you guys sure are mad
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Suddenly everyone is conveniently forgetting how sing single handily won games with his mirana and ember. I of course also remember how mediocre he is on heroes like viper or storm.
Sing is a fairly limited player for now in that he needs his drafter to draft around him and his strengths. TT has hardly drafted with sing in mind, and that has led to many miserable performances from him.
He is a good player, just not your normal I-can-play-any-hero-you-give-me type of player like fear or 430 or lanm
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On January 12 2015 13:53 Shaella wrote:
Boy you guys sure are mad
lol
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On January 12 2015 13:53 Shaella wrote:
Boy you guys sure are mad
lol, why you so salty over singsing? did he bang your mommy?
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EPT
