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Hoenicker
Profile Joined February 2012
243 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 17:58:28
January 08 2015 17:56 GMT
#801
I agree, warding was much better, it was actually a ward that really turned the first game around, when they caught fv out on top with a simple lane ward.

side note: I feel its a bit wierd to change lineups in the middle of a series, there should be rules for that. its like A played with 6, having substitute...
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
January 08 2015 18:30 GMT
#802
What were the full lineups?
Hoenicker
Profile Joined February 2012
243 Posts
January 08 2015 23:02 GMT
#803
A played first 2 games with Loda, Akke, EGM, mynuts and Niqua, and in the third game niqua was substituted with peicatt.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 09 2015 00:55 GMT
#804
On January 09 2015 08:02 Hoenicker wrote:
A played first 2 games with Loda, Akke, EGM, mynuts and Niqua, and in the third game niqua was substituted with peicatt.

So you're basically saying they needed a substitute until Pajkatt could play.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
January 09 2015 05:23 GMT
#805
Think ar1se is in an awkward spot in that he is good at creating space and making plays, but he needs to be secured farm to be able to do so. With sing around, it means ar1se has to be in the offlane. Aside from tide, I don't think ar1se can do much when underfarmed. Maybe let him play a #4 instead.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
January 09 2015 20:12 GMT
#806
This is the most embarrassing game i've ever seen. Picking agressive and going farm? Never defend towers with tree? WTF do you pick tree for? Staying in jungle with 9 min blink axe? WTF do you pick axe for? They just don't want to play together ...
Drearcerberus
Profile Joined August 2014
United States21 Posts
January 09 2015 21:22 GMT
#807
The last game was on Qojqva, I just think he's that good a jug. Got picked off a couple of times. Went to farm and gave Na'vi the first Rosh. Then him and Sing leave Rosh when they could have had it easy and finally he didn't ult the LC right away on the last Rosh fight.
Murkinlol
Profile Joined August 2010
United States366 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 21:35:52
January 09 2015 21:29 GMT
#808
Every player is at fault, the team is just bad. Qojqva used omnislash once in 30 mins in game 1, game two was better but still not good enough. He gets so much space and doesn't have nearly the same impact as other carries. Just like the rest of the team, they show up once every 3 games. Arise also can't find farm well enough to play at this level. He consistently has the farm of a support on a core position and that's not good enough. Even in game two when networths were close, he was 1000 gold above Navi's wisp and 5k behind their LC/Magnus. They are so frustrating to watch I'd wish they disband, can't imagine what it's like playing for them right now.
Ratchets, designer jackets
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
January 09 2015 22:07 GMT
#809
Maybe people need to finally realize Qojqva is only good at farming. He's mechanically gifted, but personally feels like he has little to no game sense. He just farms well. Okay great.
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
January 09 2015 22:09 GMT
#810
On January 10 2015 07:07 Slardar wrote:
Maybe people need to finally realize Qojqva is only good at farming. He's mechanically gifted, but personally feels like he has little to no game sense. He just farms well. Okay great.

but it cant be his fault. hes #1 in networth all the time
FTD
cuckoo
Profile Joined October 2014
595 Posts
January 09 2015 22:15 GMT
#811
On January 10 2015 07:09 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 07:07 Slardar wrote:
Maybe people need to finally realize Qojqva is only good at farming. He's mechanically gifted, but personally feels like he has little to no game sense. He just farms well. Okay great.

but it cant be his fault. hes #1 in networth all the time


yea it cant

it means nothing if you can't utilize the farm, really.

he makes a lot of small missplays that costs team fights and such.

but its not his fault, its everyone. bulba cant lead a team, arise isnt offlane, etc.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 22:50:02
January 09 2015 22:49 GMT
#812
I think Qoj plays super greedy and participates less in fights because his team is so fucking bad. It's like one of those pub games where your team just cant stop feeding but youre still outfarming the other team. It's probably best to keep doing what youre doing than to try and "5v5" when youre team is clearly being outplayed and wont ever win a teamfight even with your dominating farm.

Not saying that he is infallible, but I think this is why he plays ultra greedy.
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
January 09 2015 23:09 GMT
#813
he has been this way since the ti4 qualifiers and he had enough opportunities to change it up imho
FTD
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 23:15:03
January 09 2015 23:13 GMT
#814
Honestly, you're thinking of it completely from the incorrect angle. Him choosing to afk farm is not a sign of strength, it's a sign of a weak carry. Take it from someone who's near-mastered (I still blow btw) the art of carrying from over +5 years. There are times when it is correct to leave the team to farm, but he does it all the time. Something is not right.

It's a compounding error that arguably stems from the drafts. Either way it's not a complicated puzzle here, either Q plays with the team more actively 5v5, or Bulba drafts a team more than capable of holding their own ground as 4.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 23:34:57
January 09 2015 23:33 GMT
#815
On January 10 2015 08:13 Slardar wrote:
Honestly, you're thinking of it completely from the incorrect angle. Him choosing to afk farm is not a sign of strength, it's a sign of a weak carry. Take it from someone who's near-mastered (I still blow btw) the art of carrying from over +5 years. There are times when it is correct to leave the team to farm, but he does it all the time. Something is not right.

It's a compounding error that arguably stems from the drafts. Either way it's not a complicated puzzle here, either Q plays with the team more actively 5v5, or Bulba drafts a team more than capable of holding their own ground as 4.


Eh I just think TT is always playing from behind because they honestly lack individual skill. I don't think team fighting is their strong suit, but neither is playing the 4p1. They are just a mediocre team all around, I really doubt that drafting more active 5v5 lineups will bring more success.

Now that you guys mention it though I do agree Qoj has been like this for a while. I distinctly remember seeing him static farming a shitton on Cent and just allowing himself to be outscaled by the enemy carry.

And I didn't mean to say that it was a sign of him being a strong carry, just a sign that the rest of the team is weak as fuck. He probably considers helping the team each time but just says fuck it, we'll probably lose that fight anyways.
BillGates
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
471 Posts
January 10 2015 09:51 GMT
#816
They are all over the place. They don't have a unified game play. One goes for farm, other goes for ganks, third goes for protect, fifth goes for jingle, last one doesn't know what to do, etc...

Its clear that they don't know what to do and how to win and I think the problem is that they don't practice together enough and don't have strong captain. The captain should make the call to be more aggressive, to be less aggressive, to tell the team what to do and everyone does it.

They are literally playing pub games where they don't take objectives, they don't properly defend, etc... Its just a bad team right now overall.
Nahsom
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria361 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-11 16:12:28
January 11 2015 16:09 GMT
#817
With Jerax in instead of wayto thing are looking up? A drafter & captain is really what they are missing. Maybe switch ar1se and bulba in roles? His sandking is really good ... how are his other heroes?
cuckoo
Profile Joined October 2014
595 Posts
January 11 2015 16:14 GMT
#818
I think Jerax is a great pick up for TT, sadly this means 4ASC disbanding
Murkinlol
Profile Joined August 2010
United States366 Posts
January 11 2015 17:02 GMT
#819
On January 12 2015 01:09 Nahsom wrote:
With Jerax in instead of wayto thing are looking up? A drafter & captain is really what they are missing. Maybe switch ar1se and bulba in roles? His sandking is really good ... how are his other heroes?


He can really only play Magnus and SK and even then he has too much trouble finding. Replacing Wayto so fast makes me think that him and Arise were really just stand ins for the DAC so hopefully they can replace Arise soon.
Ratchets, designer jackets
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
January 11 2015 17:31 GMT
#820
The team needs drafter / captain thats all. They loose 2/3 of their games because of bad draft / in game calls.
The others they loose due to various reasons, but it is expected to loose against pro teams, i mean all of them are damn good.
You can't blame some personal mistakes of being bad carry. Qojqva is one of the best farmers in the world, he doesn't have enough experience in high tension games to improve his positioning a bit, and he almost never played ( since he came in to Liquid) with a captain that you can rely on. Qojqva is not the problem. TT has synergy problems as did Liquid. I was always amazed how bad the team coordination is / was. I'm saying that right after watching PR vs NaVi game 3. I mean PR won not by having better players, nor better experience - they won by incredible teamwork... In team games this is the most important thing.
Now back on the synergy - i will never ever forget a game of Liquid several weeks before the BlogBoy got kicked: Fluff died in radiant jungle big camp to a smoke gank. Then the dire went to the Middle T1, and TC was farming the small camp on the way... that was like 6 seconds later. I mean how fakin hard can it be to say "Guys i died to a 3 man smoke gank and ping the location" so your carry doesn't have to die 6 seconds later... I mean even in pub games people are pinging...
I think that if Jerax can draft decently and not get outdrafted 6/10 games, and fit in the in game synergy they can do very well. They definitely have the experience and the skill to do it - they only lack coordination.
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