i feel anyone that played in 2013-2014 from liquid is looked down by the community. i think bulba and wayto played really well in TI4 and they didn't even practiced that much as sup duo. so who knows, they might work

bluegarfield

Singapore1128 Posts

January 07 2015 16:45 GMT

#786

wayto hate probably spawned from the time he play on TL, when he was kinda feeding and kept getting caught in no-man-land multiple times. But regardless, he was also one of the captain and shot-caller for TL and Dignitas, so while he is not among the best, he definitely brings something Tinker is severely lacking now

drusalnik

Bulgaria133 Posts

January 07 2015 17:37 GMT

#787

Sorry to say but this team has no future regardless of what changes they make.
None of the players you mentioned above have the potential to be "professional" they are kids and nothing more.

NInoff

Bulgaria1105 Posts

January 07 2015 17:50 GMT

#788

On January 08 2015 02:37 drusalnik wrote:
Sorry to say but this team has no future regardless of what changes they make.
None of the players you mentioned above have the potential to be "professional" they are kids and nothing more.

WayTo is an average support that feeds a lot, ar1se doesn't shine at all, and unless some type of synergy comes out of nowhere this team has no future - it will be very inconsistent plays, sometimes they will get a game from Secret then most of the time they will get stomped by unknowns after all even a clock that is not working displays the correct time twice a day.
I will watch some games, but my expectations are below average.

Kznn

Brazil9072 Posts

January 07 2015 18:04 GMT

#789

I feel bad for sing. He is so tryhard and he can't get a good team. C9 was so good to him and I don't think he will ever have such a good opportunity to shine again.

Shaella

United States14828 Posts

January 07 2015 18:18 GMT

#790

maybe sing is overrated.

cuckoo

595 Posts

January 07 2015 19:54 GMT

#791

rofl

if anything sing is underrated. he was great at c9 and many people don't see that

sacrilegious

Canada863 Posts

January 07 2015 20:22 GMT

#792

^ Or maybe because people saw what they think they wanted to see including yourself that he looked great in the games they won and on paper, but in reality they had problems (like almost every team that plays this game) that were internal. From what I've read in past reddit threads and posts there were indications that his communication was poor especially when things got dicey in games, which probably eventually lead to him parting ways with the team. There's no doubt he's a talent, but at the end of the day he wasn't good enough for one reason or another. It's too bad because it seemed he would likely be most successful on C9, and with how things have worked on TT it looks pretty bad in that he's regressed to the point he will have to go through TI5 qualifiers to get to TI5 instead of getting a direct invite, unless TT tear it up these next few months

Sa6peto

Bulgaria162 Posts

January 07 2015 21:42 GMT

#793

I dont even know wtf is going on anymore ...
Sing should just make a team with his stack ...
ar1se chan fucking tucker BangFishManGuyDude Sing +1
Seems better then what they got atm

Hoenicker

243 Posts

January 08 2015 13:32 GMT

#794

I think the support duo is better than egm+bulba tbh. Looking just at this game vs A. But Ar1se is pretty bad at the same time, getting caught out often he shouldve known ancients were warded 2x. I like sings blink, but he does play extremely risky, i think qojqva's defensive style compliments this though.

FHDH

United States7023 Posts

January 08 2015 13:54 GMT

#795

Sing is an excellent space-creating player when given the heroes that allow him to do it. Just needs a lineup in both draft and players that complements this. Qojqva as a farmaniacal carry is fine in this regard.

Murkinlol

United States366 Posts

January 08 2015 14:09 GMT

#796

Sing played great and itemized so well for that game. I agree, still a lot of question marks with Arise. I really like how the team had a clear plan in mind to avoid fights and delay for Qojqva and they executed really well. Nice to see compared to the crap we've seen the past two months.

TanGeng

Sanya12364 Posts

January 08 2015 15:09 GMT

#797

I don't like the strategy but at least they have a strategy.

I'd much prefer a skadi-yasha first build over linkens that allows you to contest the game at 25 minutes. A better team than Alliance would have won the game.

Oukka

Finland1683 Posts

January 08 2015 16:00 GMT

#798

Games 2 and 3 showed some need for serious improvement. Qojqva and Sing can for sure carry games but I have to say that Ar1se's performance in terms of space creation was poor. WayTo didn't play bad but nothing flashy coming from there either. But let's not fall into despair, there are still possibilities for this to work out.

Saki [NETOGE]

United States235 Posts

January 08 2015 17:33 GMT

#799

Ar1se seemed so much stronger on his SK at Megafon. What happened?

YourGoodFriend

United States2197 Posts

January 08 2015 17:43 GMT

#800

On January 09 2015 01:00 Oukka wrote:
Games 2 and 3 showed some need for serious improvement. Qojqva and Sing can for sure carry games but I have to say that Ar1se's performance in terms of space creation was poor. WayTo didn't play bad but nothing flashy coming from there either. But let's not fall into despair, there are still possibilities for this to work out.

Wayto did a really good job putting up lots of wards which Tinker has been pretty bad at