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On December 12 2014 19:45 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 13:29 bagels21 wrote:On December 12 2014 11:54 DucK- wrote:
Well replace Loda on old alliance with pajkatt and they should probably still be fine. Replace rtz with qojqva and eg should still perform decently. Sing was doing well in c9. Basically everyone on tinker except bulba is capable and of playing and performing in a top team.
It just shows how important the +4 is. Individually they are good enough, but they are dependent on the rest of their team too. Right now the team is performing so badly because everyone is playing out of position, and there's no real #5 support. I'm pretty sure you're underestimating how important loda is to Alliance. RTZ also gets no credit these days either when he's probably the best carry in the west lol. I also don't think PJ is better than bulba either...PJ's never gotten as far as Bulba at TI, like not even close to him lol and they've both played support and cores Alliance's success then was all about s4, bulldog and their strategy. If there was anyone you could replace, it was Loda. I think that Loda provides stability as a carry during alliance peak. You could trust him to do what's needed, give him the resources, and he will perform. Nothing flashy or yolo like xboct, just very stable consistent carrying expected of a carry player. He can last hit well, itemise correctly often, can trilane, seldom feed stupidly, knows when to join fights etc. Standard carry play. The carry role in a sense is the easiest to replicate. After all the carry is usually dependent on his team for creating the space. If you have a good +4, it is very easy for a carry to shine. What separates the some carries from the others are their ability to safely find farm (envy rtz), their hero pool (black sylar fear), or maybe their laning ability (rtz). Loda has nothing exceptional that makes him stand out, except maybe that he is one of the most consistent and stable carry player around. You can't really compare pj and bulba because they play different roles. Both suck on support. One plays carry, and the other plays offlane. But when you compare them with their peers, bulba is a far cry from other offlaner. He can't make plays as well, doesn't play farming offlaner, doesn't lane as well etc. There's a noticeable difference. I don't think I can say the same for pj if he is given the same space and resources to carry as with the top teams.
You seem like a real dickhead. You come here answering to a post saying Loda is underestimated as a captain and all you do is flame him which only is evidence he is underestimated.
Loda is the ONE PLAYER who has gathered the elite of swedish players in dota from 2007-2014, he is a active talent scouter and a fucking solid player. Guess why he has so much more achievments than RTZ, Bulba etc...
You are just like a kid in a political youth party who doesnt know anything about the past and the situation atm and just look into the future without any backthaughts.
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I think the strange thing in dota because of hte non-franchised nature is how everyone is like eW THEYRE TRASH DISBAND.
You don't see that in other sports nearly as much, and it's not a bad thing to be a 'fanboy'. Here it's like ewww they're a fan regardless of the performance of hte team.
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On December 13 2014 09:53 eqez wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 19:45 DucK- wrote:On December 12 2014 13:29 bagels21 wrote:On December 12 2014 11:54 DucK- wrote:
Well replace Loda on old alliance with pajkatt and they should probably still be fine. Replace rtz with qojqva and eg should still perform decently. Sing was doing well in c9. Basically everyone on tinker except bulba is capable and of playing and performing in a top team.
It just shows how important the +4 is. Individually they are good enough, but they are dependent on the rest of their team too. Right now the team is performing so badly because everyone is playing out of position, and there's no real #5 support. I'm pretty sure you're underestimating how important loda is to Alliance. RTZ also gets no credit these days either when he's probably the best carry in the west lol. I also don't think PJ is better than bulba either...PJ's never gotten as far as Bulba at TI, like not even close to him lol and they've both played support and cores Alliance's success then was all about s4, bulldog and their strategy. If there was anyone you could replace, it was Loda. I think that Loda provides stability as a carry during alliance peak. You could trust him to do what's needed, give him the resources, and he will perform. Nothing flashy or yolo like xboct, just very stable consistent carrying expected of a carry player. He can last hit well, itemise correctly often, can trilane, seldom feed stupidly, knows when to join fights etc. Standard carry play. The carry role in a sense is the easiest to replicate. After all the carry is usually dependent on his team for creating the space. If you have a good +4, it is very easy for a carry to shine. What separates the some carries from the others are their ability to safely find farm (envy rtz), their hero pool (black sylar fear), or maybe their laning ability (rtz). Loda has nothing exceptional that makes him stand out, except maybe that he is one of the most consistent and stable carry player around. You can't really compare pj and bulba because they play different roles. Both suck on support. One plays carry, and the other plays offlane. But when you compare them with their peers, bulba is a far cry from other offlaner. He can't make plays as well, doesn't play farming offlaner, doesn't lane as well etc. There's a noticeable difference. I don't think I can say the same for pj if he is given the same space and resources to carry as with the top teams. You seem like a real dickhead. You come here answering to a post saying Loda is underestimated as a captain and all you do is flame him which only is evidence he is underestimated. Loda is the ONE PLAYER who has gathered the elite of swedish players in dota from 2007-2014, he is a active talent scouter and a fucking solid player. Guess why he has so much more achievments than RTZ, Bulba etc... You are just like a kid in a political youth party who doesnt know anything about the past and the situation atm and just look into the future without any backthaughts.
Flame? I never said he was bad. On the contrary, I'm saying he is one of the most consistent and stable carries around, something iceiceice once mentioned as well. But he doesn't have any edge over his peers in terms of ability. He is however a carry in which you know you could give all the resources and farm, and he will not fail you. In a sense his skills is only at the level of a standard pro carry player, but his performances will always be high and he seldom fucks up.
All those past achievements mean nothing. Otherwise vigoss artstyle should be dota gods right now. The only achievement that should be considered is his alliance 2013 dominance.
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On December 13 2014 12:52 Froadac wrote:
I think the strange thing in dota because of hte non-franchised nature is how everyone is like eW THEYRE TRASH DISBAND.
You don't see that in other sports nearly as much, and it's not a bad thing to be a 'fanboy'. Here it's like ewww they're a fan regardless of the performance of hte team.
You don't see it in other sports because teams are multi-million dollar brands, and they will readily shuffle rosters and bench players if they're under performing. You obviously don't pay any attention to sports if you think there aren't constant cries for players to get traded away, or benched, or for certain players to see more play time.
In Esports, you don't have extra players, so if a team is doing poorly, there's really only one option. And when the brand isn't worth much, like the name "Team Tinker" is right now, there isn't much point holding onto it either.
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Anybody have a vod with a timestamp of when Sing was talking about roster changes? Weren't Bulba's and Qojqva's contracts bought out? It has to be Pajkatt leaving then.. no point to buy out a contract just to release the player a few months later. No other team can offer what EG, TT, and Alliance can to players at the moment so it's going to be hard for a free agent player to deny playing for TT. I just wonder who they have in mind.
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TT is playing soon .. who are gonna be playing for the team ?
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Hum TT and C9 also droped out of Sl11 :|
Also Sing is suposedly mentioned they are having roster changes in the Team on Strim >.>
Any source to that 
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Sing usually streams a lot before he switches teams right? I remember that last few times cause he had to finish his stream contract or w/e.
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No Pajkatt in today's game: Bulba, Qojqva, Arise, EGM and SING
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bulba offlane and arise suport?
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I guess Pajkatt left or is getting the boot 
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Can't say that I'd be very sad to see Pajkatt leaving the team :p lets see how things turn out today.
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Get Ar1se chan and BangFish in the team !
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On December 13 2014 14:09 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 12:52 Froadac wrote:
I think the strange thing in dota because of hte non-franchised nature is how everyone is like eW THEYRE TRASH DISBAND.
You don't see that in other sports nearly as much, and it's not a bad thing to be a 'fanboy'. Here it's like ewww they're a fan regardless of the performance of hte team. You don't see it in other sports because teams are multi-million dollar brands, and they will readily shuffle rosters and bench players if they're under performing. You obviously don't pay any attention to sports if you think there aren't constant cries for players to get traded away, or benched, or for certain players to see more play time. In Esports, you don't have extra players, so if a team is doing poorly, there's really only one option. And when the brand isn't worth much, like the name "Team Tinker" is right now, there isn't much point holding onto it either.
I think what I missed is also team size. You dont' see "get rid of 2/5 of team ,absolute crap" but that's just a numbers thing.
And yeah, the franchise system is significantly different.
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On December 14 2014 04:52 TheEmulator wrote:I guess Pajkatt left or is getting the boot
sing sing is playing ember for the first time in months.
and i love arise and sing's teamwork always. i also love qojqva at 1 position.
i could get used to this.
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Tinker looking good with Ar1se!
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Well, sadly I don't think those games mean anything at all since they were pretty much a must win.
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much much better
getting another "fighting core" to play with sing while qojqva farms might be the solution
and holy shit arise. those ravages on game 2 were amazing
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No more Sing Tide? Yes please
Now someone learn to play broodmother
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