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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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cvalki
Belgium5 Posts
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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cheese sandwich
Russian Federation194 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On November 03 2014 09:43 cheese sandwich wrote: I know most people like this team for singsing but I really think he has played poorly the past month. H4nn1 would be a much more vocal player and be a leader with Bulba more than sing. If anyone wanted to make a new team with h4nni they would have. Being willing to tell people stuff != leader. | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
On November 03 2014 06:28 DucK- wrote: Sing support bulba offlane would not change the fundamental problem of having 2 cores that refuse to do anything in mid game. I don't think this is the problem. I think qojqva and Pj have games were they are really active, and I think pj is best when he is active. They have a lot of problems, but I don't think this is the main one. I think qojqva needs to be on a hero that utilize the farm better, and I think they need to get their early/mid game down a lot better. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
Just give him Ember, Mirana or TA, they are good mid heroes that stay relevant all game with farm, which are pretty much the norm in this meta (even though puck is making a comeback) Meepo too, and his brew is... not bad at least | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
I'm sorry Singu. I feel your pain -_- | ||
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uishax
153 Posts
On November 03 2014 10:10 Faruko wrote: I think Tinker should try to give Singsing their signature heroes and be done with the experimentation, like i said the individual skill of the players its much higher than what they are achieving, they shiould be playing much better Just give him Ember, Mirana or TA, they are good mid heroes that stay relevant all game with farm, which are pretty much the norm in this meta (even though puck is making a comeback) Meepo too, and his brew is... not bad at least Lel, delusional singsing fans, just plaing ember and mirana is not versatile enough for a 6.82 player, especially when mirana is fading out the scene. TA is also very weak with far too many counters. If C9 didn't want somebody who can only play 2-3 heroes, why do you think Tinker wants the same narrow player? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 03 2014 12:31 uishax wrote: Lel, delusional singsing fans, just plaing ember and mirana is not versatile enough for a 6.82 player, especially when mirana is fading out the scene. TA is also very weak with far too many counters. If C9 didn't want somebody who can only play 2-3 heroes, why do you think Tinker wants the same narrow player? Because they formed a team with him? I seriously doubt that there is a better western core available to replace Sing; I'd love for Hanni to be a part of this team but he isn't actually a free agent and I've seen no one else who looks like a top contender and a free agent, Who would be a viable replacement for any of tinker's players? | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Changes are needed because the team is not balanced. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
They also haven't picked sing (or EGM) his windrunner, which is also a part of his hero pool for instance (both of them played it regularily at some point). I doubt the team issue is with a single player though.. Teams rise and fall as a whole | ||
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MirageTaN
Singapore871 Posts
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spudde123
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goody153
44263 Posts
It's like they got no direction which Secret(obviously there are 4 people in the team lead their teams respectively in the past), EG(ppd) and C9(seems like everybody calls for the shots but envy is the one who gives the final decision for the team) has. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On November 03 2014 12:31 uishax wrote: Lel, delusional singsing fans, just plaing ember and mirana is not versatile enough for a 6.82 player, especially when mirana is fading out the scene. TA is also very weak with far too many counters. If C9 didn't want somebody who can only play 2-3 heroes, why do you think Tinker wants the same narrow player? im not a singsing fan, so take your wrong assumption somehwere else, just a tip for your next debate, do not start by assuming something if you are not sure about it  | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
On November 03 2014 04:39 DucK- wrote: I think Tinker's problem is that they have 2 cores that crave farm and passive play. This puts a lot of pressure on their third core and 2 supports to create the space. It's kind of a shitty formula because the 2 supports are often not given anything, while Sing is not always given a good lane to start. C9 worked because Aui was always given farm, and Sing + Bone were cores that like to be active. And Envy is not exactly a passive player too. Does this sound familiar to some other team? + Show Spoiler + TT's basically last year's Team Liquid, there's an improvement in player skill in the support department but other than that i don't see any improvements other than that the players actually like playing with eachother | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On November 04 2014 03:14 AwfuL_ wrote: Does this sound familiar to some other team? + Show Spoiler + TT's basically last year's Team Liquid, there's an improvement in player skill in the support department but other than that i don't see any improvements other than that the players actually like playing with eachother Problem is really with leadership I think. They do the "give the player w/e he wants" draft way too much where Pajkatt is Viper all the time even if it's not against heavy magic dmg, Qojqva is one of 3 heroes that rotates, and so on and so forth. Feels like they should be finding drafts that suit their players but also has good synergy (like EG, VG, or NB drafts) rather than just give the player w/e he wants 5 times. Similarly, in games they play like a 1+1+1+1+1 instead of as 5 where it's usually pajkatt/qojqva farming somewhere on the map alone and bulba/egm/sing feeding on the other part of the map alone. That said, they're doing way better than TL did even with the disappointing lan finals (kinda weird when a group stage --> lan tournament's second place is disappointing) but eventually individual skill is not gonna pull them out of holes anymore (like when sing did nothing on puck in winner's finals or qojqva forgot how to play tide in grand finals). Calling them the new Liquid is pretty far off though. Liquid was hellbent on trying things that just didn't work (nyx, ET, tc on mirana, fluff ench every game etc.) | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
Obviously i'm not incluiding the time when Liquid was literally losing every game due to the players essentially not wanting to be on the same team anymore. BTW Liquid is 9-5 with TC Mirana and also positive with nyx offlane iirc. Certainly not with ET and Fluff ench though. | ||
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