EPTAnd they've kept coming to the same thing ever since then every time they were pressed against the wall. S4 needs to grow some balls, and pull some of their for sure practiced, heavily
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
And they've kept coming to the same thing ever since then every time they were pressed against the wall. S4 needs to grow some balls, and pull some of their for sure practiced, heavily | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On June 20 2016 17:54 jack_knife wrote: clock, weaver, doom, beastmaster, darkseer, warlock, slardar, LD, furison, brood. that's his hero pool. The reason why bulldog only performance well with farm hero is [A] doesnt have a hardcore carry, if u see their games, loda was always behind his networth, unless they play 1 core draft like antimage, Naga. am not saying loda is bad, he is good, he can play more heros for sure, but when u cant farm like a monster as carry, u have 0 chance vs top team like OG, liquid. He has a wicked Void as well and bristleback. I agree with Zeal , its not the hero pool is how they match up vs the other team lineup , you can't have a good game as a brood vs a god damn Axe and you sure aint winning a brewmaster mid with Drow vs a timber and Ursa and void (or whatever they picked) that can close the gap in 2 seconds. They showed brilliant drafting with the dazzle + brew into TB + Brood which caught everyone off guard but its a pocket strat unless you can expand on the first 2 , currently they can't. Timber looks like a MUST pick now days , the main issue is still not having a playmaking support (or letting him make plays) , you see Crit/Jerax running around with that Earth spirit winning lanes and games we don't have that opening , we never pressure the lanes unless its a Loda Tri lane , passivity is costing us games left and right , if we can't play aggressive dota then we need to play a greedy defensive lineups like Alch mid and the likes ..... have faith that TI qualifiers will drive them , going to be hard as hell for sure. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
Vega came out of nowhere and play some good dota this weekend, Empire has been playing well lately and Ad Finem was looking hot lately (althou its been like a month since i saw them playing)... even No Diggity, also VP has been fucking bad lately but they have the skill, they just need to work a 100% This is such a bloodbath  | ||
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WakaDoDo
Sweden1183 Posts
On June 20 2016 23:38 Faruko wrote: This is such a bloodbath The real bloodbath happens when the boys go to Seattle >  ! | ||
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Zea!
9589 Posts
https://officialakke.com/2016/06/20/invites-to-ti6/ | ||
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sweatbomb
Sweden469 Posts
On June 21 2016 06:17 Zea! wrote: Akke's blog about invites: https://officialakke.com/2016/06/20/invites-to-ti6/ This blog shows exactly why they weren't invited. They don't even realize they have been playing like complete dogshit lately. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On June 21 2016 08:48 sweatbomb wrote: This blog shows exactly why they weren't invited. They don't even realize they have been playing like complete dogshit lately. lol Akke's logic is so subpar much like his performance lately. Dodging tournament actually gives a chance for other team to perform well and snatch their invites instead. Someone at Alliance needs to get his shit together and smack out the entitlement mentality that's ruining this team. Was a fan of Akke. Not so much now. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 21 2016 06:17 Zea! wrote: Akke's blog about invites: https://officialakke.com/2016/06/20/invites-to-ti6/ I can only imagine that he's still quite emotional to write that. I can't otherwise understand how he would get to the conclusion that As it is now, the system might encouraged teams to skip events because it can give Valve a reason to not invite you. That's just the exact opposite because of the negative spin he gives it about how fnatic were "robbed" of their spot. In fact I'd say the exact opposite, it places massive importance on showing up in tournaments. Navi would not have gotten the invite without a good ESL placement (which granted had bracket luck involved, not going to deny that). I can only assume that he is pissed and because of that rather than looking at it as a chance to qualify for Navi, perceives it as a chance to fail for fnatic. That's quite sad in itself. Sure, skip out on events if you think that they're potentially screwing you over. Maybe that's the case if you're Liquid/OG/Newbee (+MVP?) and suddenly start bombing out of everything but outsides of those, top finishers at events are needed. And if you're not at those events whoever else gets 2nd / 3rd place (or first and manages to upset Liquid/OG) is 100% secured for an invite, which means you won't get one even if you didn't bomb out because you stayed home~ | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On June 21 2016 06:17 Zea! wrote: Akke's blog about invites: https://officialakke.com/2016/06/20/invites-to-ti6/ Oh Akke, can you please just let it go and focus on the games at hand? Yes you had a good run in december-january, but that's in the past! You're not top 6 nor top 8 anymore. Buckle up and practise! On June 21 2016 08:48 sweatbomb wrote: This blog shows exactly why they weren't invited. They don't even realize they have been playing like complete dogshit lately. Exactly my thoughts. They still (somehow) think they're a tier 1 team and that these recent losses have just been bad luck. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
There is no denying that Fnatic did better then Navi aside from ESL , they did extremely well in the majors(Fnatic) and got rejected. I would give Navi the nod if they were inviting a large number of teams but as it stands with 6 invites Navi deserve it less then Fnatic for example. tldr - Valve should formalise their rankings. | ||
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lookfirewood
1212 Posts
On June 21 2016 16:21 GinNtoniC wrote: Oh Akke, can you please just let it go and focus on the games at hand? Yes you had a good run in december-january, but that's in the past! You're not top 6 nor top 8 anymore. Buckle up and practise! Exactly my thoughts. They still (somehow) think they're a tier 1 team and that these recent losses have just been bad luck. First off, not only to you, but to all ppl emotional towards akkes words, Akke is made it very clear he's salty. Even signing the entire blog with PJsalt. Which easily translates to "take my words lightly". But instead you lot got kind of offended. Second, he's right about Valve being unclear about their agenda, but that's nothing new, and it adds to his salt. I agree with Bluzi, and so many others, Valve should be more clear. Until then, mishaps like the one that bothers akke, is very likely to happen. Before majors were introduced all resultes over the year had impact over invites, not only the few months before TI. So I understand the frustration. I am not saying A deserves an invite, they clearly played badly over the last few months, but there are other questionmarks in the invites that brings frustration over the invite system. Which really isn't a system until explained. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
Sigh, here goes Loda too. They might be right. They might be wrong. That's not the point! The point is: What's done is done! Jesus, if they could just let go of this entitlement mentality and face the fact that they have to focus on the task at hand... Edit: @lookfirewood Sure, you might be right. My point above still stands: Neither Akke nor Loda should waste energy on that right now Take it up with Valve after the season. Right now their only priority should be to focus and practise for the upcoming qualifiers. | ||
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lookfirewood
1212 Posts
On June 21 2016 17:09 GinNtoniC wrote: https://twitter.com/LodaBerg/status/745165758519402496 Sigh, here goes Loda too. They might be right. They might be wrong. That's not the point! The point is: What's done is done! Jesus, if they could just let go of this entitlement mentality and face the fact that they have to focus on the task at hand... Edit: @lookfirewood Sure, you might be right. My point above still stands: Neither Akke nor Loda should waste energy on that right now Take it up with Valve after the season. Right now their only priority should be to focus and practise for the upcoming qualifiers. Sure. He also ends by saying "time to fight". To me that signals that he wanted to vent some thoughts, and now leaves it behind and moves on. They must be entitled to have oppinions? They are clearly emotional about the entire thing. See it this way. For them, ESL was the ONLY way to get invited. The only chance AT ALL to get a chance for an invite. Then you reply: - "No it wasn't, they had the whole year to show what they are made of" Well that's exactly what they did, and still didn't get invited, so hence their frustration. Their entire chance for an invite was ESL, they didn't make it, they are sad. Let them clear their throat. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
I think with that mentality they are forever stuck in mediocrity, once again hoping that teams around them will be in turmoil. It doesn't seem the team has the grit to really hardcore power through changing their styles, putting in countless of painful hours seriously practising new heroes and strategies and then having the balls to let go of the past and stick to their re-invented selves when it really matters, in elimination games with their backs against the wall. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On June 21 2016 17:15 lookfirewood wrote: Sure. He also ends by saying "time to fight". To me that signals that he wanted to vent some thoughts, and now leaves it behind and moves on. They must be entitled to have oppinions? They are clearly emotional about the entire thing. See it this way. For them, ESL was the ONLY way to get invited. The only chance AT ALL to get a chance for an invite. Then you reply: - "No it wasn't, they had the whole year to show what they are made of" Well that's exactly what they did, and still didn't get invited, so hence their frustration. Their entire chance for an invite was ESL, they didn't make it, they are sad. Let them clear their throat. Regarding ESL etc, that's not what I said. I consider Dec-Jan more or less irrelevant. Valve should invite the people who they consider to be the strongest in regards to rcecent events. WCA and Starladder wasn't recent. Anyway, they are entitled to whatever bloody opinion they want. That's not my point. By point is that they're only shooting themselves in the foot by clinging to past merits and refusing to realize that they're not a tier 1 team atm. They are entitled to PJSalt all they want, but atm they just seem to be wasting energy being frustrated over something they can't change. On a bright note: Bulldog is owning shit up with Clockwerk in SOLO mmr queue atm. Signs of things to come? Edit: And then 20 mins later he joins a party with S4 who is smurfing with Nara....... Goddamnit S4 | ||
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nanaoei
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On June 21 2016 17:09 GinNtoniC wrote: https://twitter.com/LodaBerg/status/745165758519402496 Sigh, here goes Loda too. They might be right. They might be wrong. That's not the point! The point is: What's done is done! Jesus, if they could just let go of this entitlement mentality and face the fact that they have to focus on the task at hand... Edit: @lookfirewood Sure, you might be right. My point above still stands: Neither Akke nor Loda should waste energy on that right now Take it up with Valve after the season. Right now their only priority should be to focus and practise for the upcoming qualifiers. You clearly missing the fact that this is their LIFE and their CARRER , for them missing TI can result in the end of this career , its easy for you to dismiss it and call it entitlement or whatever else you want to call it , but "they might be right , they might be wrong" is clearly a reaction of a fan and not the guy who is trying to earn a living playing a video game , this is why they are salty and this is why they take it as they do , its not a GAME to them , its what they do as adults to earn money and progress in life. They should waste the energy letting Valve know their (and others) stand about the invite system and the fact that something needs to be done , you don't realising the importance of it doesn't make it less important. | ||
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jack_knife
Germany343 Posts
On June 21 2016 19:58 bluzi wrote: You clearly missing the fact that this is their LIFE and their CARRER , for them missing TI can result in the end of this career , its easy for you to dismiss it and call it entitlement or whatever else you want to call it , but "they might be right , they might be wrong" is clearly a reaction of a fan and not the guy who is trying to earn a living playing a video game , this is why they are salty and this is why they take it as they do , its not a GAME to them , its what they do as adults to earn money and progress in life. They should waste the energy letting Valve know their (and others) stand about the invite system and the fact that something needs to be done , you don't realising the importance of it doesn't make it less important. they should let it go and try hard for TI qualify, they just didnt realize they aint top 8 team anymore. they even lost to col in shanghai Major, they need this qualify to test themself. | ||
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jack_knife
Germany343 Posts
tier1: og, liquid, newbee, lgd tier2: finatic, navi, vega, vp, col, af they have lost to 10 teams in 3 months and even lost col, af, this couldnt be worse, who the hell want invite a team like this? and akke said they lost every team with 1-2... but u still lost it, didnt you? am with [A] no matter what, but am very dispointed about what akke said. i dont think [A] deserve a direct invite. | ||
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jack_knife
Germany343 Posts
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