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On June 22 2016 05:46 hunter_x wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 04:02 jack_knife wrote:On June 22 2016 03:12 hunter_x wrote:On June 22 2016 02:57 jack_knife wrote:On June 22 2016 00:07 hunter_x wrote:
well yeah they won two tournaments in a row. but that doesnt say much. it was a brand new patch, nobody figured it out yet. all in all you can say, they were good for 3 weeks, and that should never be enough for an invite to ti, which is several month later. the strongest teams fom the last 2-3 month should get invites + the ti winner from last year. what they did 6 month ago is not relevant at all. if they can qualify for ti, they have my respect, but i dont believe in it. i dont think they were good for 3 weeks, from WCA to SSL, it's really over 3 weeks. lol. they were unbeatable like 3 months long, they beat team liquid every single time when they met, even in shanghai Major, every1 thought they will be in top 4. but 1 thing i agree with you, they dont deserve a invite right now. Alliance were unbeatable for 3 month? Wtf man are you on drugs? This is not 2013 man...they only beat Liquid at the Frankfurt Major qualifier, and at starladder. Thats pretty much it. go check it by urself. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/World_Cyber_Arena/2015http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Star_Ladder_Star_Series/Season_13http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Captains_Draft_3.0WCA was in 14.12 last time they rekt ur liquid was 14.02.2016, they looked scary till they lost to Vega. i guess u are blind or stupid enough. User was warned for this post at wca liquid beat alliance 2-0 XD you are a funny guy i must say. and captains draft, really? you know how that works right? i dont ecen count that as a real tournament. fact is they only won wca and starladder, and their head to head vs liquid is really bad. but arguing with delusional people like you is a waste of time
i never saw a guy boring like u , u obviously dislike Alliance, but u come here instantly and try to repeat how 'bad' [A] is, i dont even know what u doing here??? trade insulting??? say sth stupid to show ur wise?
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On June 22 2016 06:26 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2016 06:23 Warfie wrote:
wait don't [A] have to go through open qualifiers now? no they are invited to the full qualifiers...
right. my brain isn't working today
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On June 22 2016 04:23 Zea! wrote:
Hey guys, what's up with all the hate? Don't fight each other, let's just unite all together and give our energies to the boys \o/ \o/ \o/ !!!!!
dont u get it, bro? xD he came here for shitting [A]. i saw him lot of times. every time sth bad happened to [A], he came here right in time.
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On June 21 2016 19:58 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 17:09 GinNtoniC wrote:
Sigh, here goes Loda too. They might be right. They might be wrong.
That's not the point! The point is: What's done is done!
Jesus, if they could just let go of this entitlement mentality and face the fact that they have to focus on the task at hand...
Edit: @lookfirewood
Sure, you might be right. My point above still stands: Neither Akke nor Loda should waste energy on that right now Take it up with Valve after the season. Right now their only priority should be to focus and practise for the upcoming qualifiers. You clearly missing the fact that this is their LIFE and their CARRER , for them missing TI can result in the end of this career , its easy for you to dismiss it and call it entitlement or whatever else you want to call it , but "they might be right , they might be wrong" is clearly a reaction of a fan and not the guy who is trying to earn a living playing a video game , this is why they are salty and this is why they take it as they do , its not a GAME to them , its what they do as adults to earn money and progress in life. They should waste the energy letting Valve know their (and others) stand about the invite system and the fact that something needs to be done , you don't realising the importance of it doesn't make it less important.
Sigh, you managed to completely misunderstand me here. *taking a deep breath here and re-tries prior explanation*
I'm not saying it's not important. Of course it's very bloody important!
The point is (God I can't believe I need to repeat myself here): The decision has been made! Valve has invited a set number of teams. No amount of arguing will change that now. The qualifiers start in a few days. Instead of wasting time arguing whether or not they should have been invited, they need to buckle up and practise for what's coming.
Gosh, is my English actually that poor or is there some reading comprehension thing going on here?
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On June 22 2016 07:18 GinNtoniC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 19:58 bluzi wrote:On June 21 2016 17:09 GinNtoniC wrote:https://twitter.com/LodaBerg/status/745165758519402496Sigh, here goes Loda too. They might be right. They might be wrong. That's not the point! The point is: What's done is done! Jesus, if they could just let go of this entitlement mentality and face the fact that they have to focus on the task at hand... Edit: @lookfirewood Sure, you might be right. My point above still stands: Neither Akke nor Loda should waste energy on that right now Take it up with Valve after the season. Right now their only priority should be to focus and practise for the upcoming qualifiers. You clearly missing the fact that this is their LIFE and their CARRER , for them missing TI can result in the end of this career , its easy for you to dismiss it and call it entitlement or whatever else you want to call it , but "they might be right , they might be wrong" is clearly a reaction of a fan and not the guy who is trying to earn a living playing a video game , this is why they are salty and this is why they take it as they do , its not a GAME to them , its what they do as adults to earn money and progress in life. They should waste the energy letting Valve know their (and others) stand about the invite system and the fact that something needs to be done , you don't realising the importance of it doesn't make it less important. Sigh, you managed to completely misunderstand me here. *taking a deep breath here and re-tries prior explanation* I'm not saying it's not important. Of course it's very bloody important! The point is (God I can't believe I need to repeat myself here): The decision has been made! Valve has invited a set number of teams. No amount of arguing will change that now. The qualifiers start in a few days. Instead of wasting time arguing whether or not they should have been invited, they need to buckle up and practise for what's coming.Gosh, is my English actually that poor or is there some reading comprehension thing going on here?
No your english is fine. It's just that you're acting like all they do is whining behind the keyboard. But in fact, all akke did was posting a blog, and Loda made a tweet. That's it. They had prob been back home only for a few hours.
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On June 22 2016 07:18 GinNtoniC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 19:58 bluzi wrote:On June 21 2016 17:09 GinNtoniC wrote:https://twitter.com/LodaBerg/status/745165758519402496Sigh, here goes Loda too. They might be right. They might be wrong. That's not the point! The point is: What's done is done! Jesus, if they could just let go of this entitlement mentality and face the fact that they have to focus on the task at hand... Edit: @lookfirewood Sure, you might be right. My point above still stands: Neither Akke nor Loda should waste energy on that right now Take it up with Valve after the season. Right now their only priority should be to focus and practise for the upcoming qualifiers. You clearly missing the fact that this is their LIFE and their CARRER , for them missing TI can result in the end of this career , its easy for you to dismiss it and call it entitlement or whatever else you want to call it , but "they might be right , they might be wrong" is clearly a reaction of a fan and not the guy who is trying to earn a living playing a video game , this is why they are salty and this is why they take it as they do , its not a GAME to them , its what they do as adults to earn money and progress in life. They should waste the energy letting Valve know their (and others) stand about the invite system and the fact that something needs to be done , you don't realising the importance of it doesn't make it less important. Sigh, you managed to completely misunderstand me here. *taking a deep breath here and re-tries prior explanation* I'm not saying it's not important. Of course it's very bloody important! The point is (God I can't believe I need to repeat myself here): The decision has been made! Valve has invited a set number of teams. No amount of arguing will change that now. The qualifiers start in a few days. Instead of wasting time arguing whether or not they should have been invited, they need to buckle up and practise for what's coming.Gosh, is my English actually that poor or is there some reading comprehension thing going on here?
Dude you are a cool poster and your english is better then mine , but if you read your post again it really sounds dissmisve , they didn't went all crazy about it , just wanted to vent bit and let Valve know that they are hurting teams/players with their non transparent behaviour , no one argued , no one asked to revert the invites and they will practice and hopefully qualify , cheers!
And my english reading comprehension is usually pretty good  hhhh , just my typing is somewhat all over the place , you can ask Sno_Man i got like 3 warnings about those already.
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hey guys personally i think its better to them to play the qualifier , the boys need play more games
i dont like if the boys get invited but place 12-16th
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@bluzi and @lookfirewood
Great lads, we're on the same team. I do however think this theme of entitlement has been going on for a long time with both Loda and Akke. They give me the impression that they consider themselves a tier 1 team - or at least to have earned respect and invites despite not having shown any real results for a long time.
Throughout this season I've hoped for them to not receive direct invites, just so they would have to actually roll up their sleeves, grind and find that hunger again.
This latest series of tweets was just the nail in the coffin for me.
Plain and simple: If they're as good as they think they are, getting through qualifiers should be the least of the worries.
With that said: I'm hoping to see them buckle up, practise hard and come back better. As do we all.
Ps. In regards to possible dismissive attitude or whatnot, I do apologize for whatever it's worth. I do however not believe forum threads like this should be "let's all hold hands for our boys in grey" in the manner of another known poster here
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On June 22 2016 16:32 GinNtoniC wrote:@bluzi and @lookfirewood Great lads, we're on the same team. I do however think this theme of entitlement has been going on for a long time with both Loda and Akke. They give me the impression that they consider themselves a tier 1 team - or at least to have earned respect and invites despite not having shown any real results for a long time. Throughout this season I've hoped for them to not receive direct invites, just so they would have to actually roll up their sleeves, grind and find that hunger again. This latest series of tweets was just the nail in the coffin for me. Plain and simple: If they're as good as they think they are, getting through qualifiers should be the least of the worries. With that said: I'm hoping to see them buckle up, practise hard and come back better. As do we all. Ps. In regards to possible dismissive attitude or whatnot, I do apologize for whatever it's worth. I do however not believe forum threads like this should be "let's all hold hands for our boys in grey" in the manner of another known poster here
GnT I am nothing but criticising them lately so I am not Zealing around (Zeal you are the man and cheerleader so don't take is the wrong way).
Hoping to see them go through to TI but it won't come as a shock to me to see them get Alched out of the qualifiers which is sad , its not a TI without them , also i have some work at the US around that time (not final but good chance) and i was hoping to watch it live this year so i am bit egoistic in that regard
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Well, I do for all our sakes hope they find that focus and hunger again, pull through the qualifiers and surge into TI6 as a real contender - however unlikely it may seem at the moment! Hope you get a chance to see TI live!
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There is some room for consternation over the Invites for Alliance. They were the quintessential "bubble team" for invites. In most 8 or 10-invite scenarios, they were going to get a Direct Invite. They had done enough over the course of the year to be a "top 10 team on the year".
The issue comes down wholly to EG & Secret going to open qualifiers. What it was going to produce was an odd number in Invites, and Valve has worked really hard not to play favorites with regions. (Which would be a really bad precedent to set for them.) Alliance, Complexity & Fnatic all lost out on Invites for that reason.
At the same time, all 3 of those teams had the ability to get through to the playoff bracket at ESL One Frankfurt. Na'Vi got the slot that Valve reserved for the Winner/Finalist from the Tournament, but Na'Vi was already a likely invite candidate in a 10-invite scenario. (See here. The predictions were heading into ESL One Frankfurt, but Valve released the invites before I could produce updated predictions.) Realistically, Alliance is 1 game win over Vega (ESL One Frankfurt), Na'Vi (Manila Major) or Newbee (Epicenter) from having locked up that Invite.
Still, Valve has made their decision and 2 of the 10 EU qualifier teams will go through, with a 3rd going to the wildcard round. They're more than capable of qualifying, but they've really needed to clean up their in-game rotations and team-fight coordination for a while now.
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Exactly, be their fan or not, you want to once again feel them having the chops to beat anyone, pull out a new strat when it matters the most and make the games against top teams exciting again with the balls to not sticking to what worked years ago and is their comfort zone.
The two wins on a patch that happened to favour their comfort style hurt them more than helped them, you can see that from their tweets and Akke's blog
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i'd like to hear, "alliance is scary" again, when that was what teams were thinking in and around WCA.
unfortunately it was on the back of buffed bulldog heroes, NP and LD.
slardar, phoenix, riki, lifestealer, and even ET would put a halter to that, even if it hadn't naturally fallen out of favor.
it also brought on drow strategies indirectly and eventually alchemist and aghanims strategies like with veno.
they have that re-popularization under their belt but have yet to do anything refreshing again.
i have a hard time remembering where exactly they started losing again, it just feels like it's been forever again even if they take a game in most bo3 losses.
time to play some new heroes, and to play them well as a team.
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On June 22 2016 16:32 GinNtoniC wrote:@bluzi and @lookfirewood Great lads, we're on the same team. I do however think this theme of entitlement has been going on for a long time with both Loda and Akke. They give me the impression that they consider themselves a tier 1 team - or at least to have earned respect and invites despite not having shown any real results for a long time. Throughout this season I've hoped for them to not receive direct invites, just so they would have to actually roll up their sleeves, grind and find that hunger again. This latest series of tweets was just the nail in the coffin for me. Plain and simple: If they're as good as they think they are, getting through qualifiers should be the least of the worries. With that said: I'm hoping to see them buckle up, practise hard and come back better. As do we all. Ps. In regards to possible dismissive attitude or whatnot, I do apologize for whatever it's worth. I do however not believe forum threads like this should be "let's all hold hands for our boys in grey" in the manner of another known poster here
Yeah I never argued about the invites, only about having some understanding in their salt and frustration. Like bluzi said earlier.
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Either way, games not that far away. Time to buckle up and work overtime so I can work from home during qualifiers if needs be.
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Spend it all on friday boys!
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Wow, that's amazing. WCA actually paid. And only after 6 months. Really surprising.
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Are Alliance playing against Navi tonight? The Gosugamers website says there is a match in 3hrs... Some or other "el-classico showmatch"
This is the first I'm hearing of it
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On June 24 2016 00:02 Hai1Fyre wrote:
Are Alliance playing against Navi tonight? The Gosugamers website says there is a match in 3hrs... Some or other "el-classico showmatch"
This is the first I'm hearing of it
No idea what it would be. But gosu is often wrong I feel.
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