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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 01 2016 10:22 GMT
#4221
On November 01 2016 19:02 FreakyDroid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2016 11:01 LemOn wrote:
I doubt it has anything to do with roles, there must be lots of arguing withing the team on personal level when they give up on purpose, let team mates die and don't even bother defending raxes


After day 1 I simply refused to watch their remaining games, but I didnt see anything of the sorts you're describing. Did this happen in their day 2 games?

Their game vs Secret
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-01 15:09:54
November 01 2016 14:27 GMT
#4222
On November 01 2016 19:22 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2016 19:02 FreakyDroid wrote:
On November 01 2016 11:01 LemOn wrote:
I doubt it has anything to do with roles, there must be lots of arguing withing the team on personal level when they give up on purpose, let team mates die and don't even bother defending raxes


After day 1 I simply refused to watch their remaining games, but I didnt see anything of the sorts you're describing. Did this happen in their day 2 games?

Their game vs Secret


Thx I'll check it out.

Just watched it, yeah I remember this game I saw it live. Didnt get the impression they gave up, perhaps you can make the argument that Dendi was throwing by just farming and not teleporting which was their key hero for high ground defense. All of their games were like that, only ArtStyle and Sonneiko looked like they give a damn while the rest just kept feeding or afk farming.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
November 04 2016 16:45 GMT
#4223
Time for answers, post your questions:
http://read.navi-gaming.com/en/team_news/ask_questions_to_navi_managers
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
November 07 2016 10:50 GMT
#4224
Announcements this week. Hope to see another CEO rage, as it was with VP. And hope to see Na'vi rise again.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-07 13:32:10
November 07 2016 13:29 GMT
#4225
http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/516077-navi-announces-roster-changes

Dendi and General stays

Honestly, im happy with this, i would have loved to keep Sonneiko too but maybe he didnt want to and its good for him to go and search for more opportunities

Artstyle was a great captain but if navi wanted to step up they needed a better player also, and thanks to Ditya Ra, he stick with the teams through rought times and was even part of a great tournament win
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-07 14:00:56
November 07 2016 13:57 GMT
#4226
Sad to see Sonneiko go, but happy that this started. It should have began sooner but oh well...

I also hope they deal with this slowly enough. There is a lot of time until the next batch of tournaments' qualifiers begin.

I wonder who would they get, there are not a lot of free players or not locked that I like.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
November 07 2016 14:03 GMT
#4227
Im not sure about supports tho, it depends if Dendi keeps playing mid but Iceberg and fn are top choices for me
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
November 07 2016 14:31 GMT
#4228
On November 07 2016 23:03 Faruko wrote:
Im not sure about supports tho, it depends if Dendi keeps playing mid but Iceberg and fn are top choices for me

Even better, wait for VP to fail at the Major and then snatch Ramzes.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
November 07 2016 14:41 GMT
#4229
Thats not a bad option too hahaha
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-07 19:43:49
November 07 2016 19:30 GMT
#4230
Nice interview by the way.
http://read.navi-gaming.com/en/team_news/interview_with_navi_managers

It seems they will be hiring the other three based on data the analyst gathered.
Alcor
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy137 Posts
November 07 2016 20:00 GMT
#4231
and not cis-only, finally
MMR is just a (low) number...
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3338 Posts
November 07 2016 21:12 GMT
#4232
I'd love to have Ramzes. The guy shows a ton of potential for how young he is. nice to see we're not going to limit to only cis
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
November 08 2016 03:31 GMT
#4233
I find it interesting that you all are focused on skill and not fit for this team right nowb, especially with what Navi has said. Those 3 players were all skilled leading up to TI, but it wasn't their skill that held them back. Its interesting on seeing how Navi moves forward dealing with these cores.
Get it by your hands...
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
November 08 2016 06:35 GMT
#4234
On November 08 2016 12:31 Judicator wrote:
I find it interesting that you all are focused on skill and not fit for this team right nowb, especially with what Navi has said. Those 3 players were all skilled leading up to TI, but it wasn't their skill that held them back. Its interesting on seeing how Navi moves forward dealing with these cores.

How could we possible focus on something else if we don't know those aspects of the players?

I would love to know if Ramzes or anyone is professional enough. That info is not public, or not as easy to obtain as skill info.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
November 08 2016 11:50 GMT
#4235
Interview was awesome, and the fact that sending and general agreed to work in that environment talk about commitment.

This is the first time I've seen an interview of a team trying to work as an actual team
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
November 08 2016 15:02 GMT
#4236
On November 08 2016 20:50 Faruko wrote:
Interview was awesome, and the fact that sending and general agreed to work in that environment talk about commitment.

This is the first time I've seen an interview of a team trying to work as an actual team

Yes, even if this project takes some time (two years for instance) to be regarded as successful, it could be the basis Dota teams need to start looking professional:
- Players taking their activity seriously, considering it a job instead of just playing a videogame
- More than five players working for the same organization under the same routine so to say, even if they are not part of the team, which could lead to subs and actually swapping players mid tournament/series (yea I know, too far from Dota reality)
- Players working as a unit independently of feelings or friendship
- Organizations taking the reins of the team and its composition, leaving the players free and focused on the game

I could go on, but there is too much that can be said. If this works, and ends up transforming the Dota scene (yea I know, too much imagination) I will be so happy.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-08 19:34:01
November 08 2016 19:33 GMT
#4237
Like the interview siad, CSGO players are much more mature, they can say whatever the fuck they think in game but they know work and life are 2 separate stuff so whatever they say mid game is just about the game and not their personal opinion.

More often than not ive seen Dota 2 teams broken because they mix both, personal life with job, i mean... who isnt force to work with some asshole form time to time ? you just swallow your feelings and work, for the greater good
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
November 09 2016 09:30 GMT
#4238
On November 09 2016 04:33 Faruko wrote:
Like the interview siad, CSGO players are much more mature, they can say whatever the fuck they think in game but they know work and life are 2 separate stuff so whatever they say mid game is just about the game and not their personal opinion.

More often than not ive seen Dota 2 teams broken because they mix both, personal life with job, i mean... who isnt force to work with some asshole form time to time ? you just swallow your feelings and work, for the greater good

To play good dota you need to have more confidence i your team mates than cs:go, so maybe the relation between players gets burned out more quickly because of that.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
November 09 2016 12:42 GMT
#4239
On November 09 2016 18:30 Pontual wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 04:33 Faruko wrote:
Like the interview siad, CSGO players are much more mature, they can say whatever the fuck they think in game but they know work and life are 2 separate stuff so whatever they say mid game is justsure about the game and not their personal opinion.

More often than not ive seen Dota 2 teams broken because they mix both, personal life with job, i mean... who isnt force to work with some asshole form time to time ? you just swallow your feelings and work, for the greater good

To play good dota you need to have more confidence i your team mates than cs:go, so maybe the relation between players gets burned out more quickly because of that.


This is not really true at all. Not sure where that came from.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
November 09 2016 13:20 GMT
#4240
For once, i really really doubt it

and second, that would be incredibly hard to test and be sure of

So no, i dont think thats true at all
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
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