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Asjo
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Denmark664 Posts
September 26 2015 23:36 GMT
#241
Well, since it's related to this discussion, which I hope to continue, I just wanted a add a few posts here.

After their match against NiP i WCA qualifiers, on the LR thread:

On September 22 2015 04:45 Asjo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2015 04:10 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On September 22 2015 04:07 Asjo wrote:
Empire have seemed really unstable lately. That is, not just bad results, but them playing with different rosters all the time. Did they play with their normal line-up in this match? I didn't catch the match, but I tuned in at the end and I saw that a few of the players didn't play with their normal nickname, which got me wondering.

I think it was their official roster -Apathy, +AWF. But yeah, hard to tell when players don't play with their proper names. Empire are fine to make changes though because they didn't submit their roster in time anyway so they'll have to play through open qualifiers whatever.

Empire look OK sometimes but they're extremely unclutch. Every time they can fuck up as a team, they do it. Not sure if Yoky was making a lot of calls before he left or if it's just a problem with team atmosphere or what.


Wow, I'm really hoping they are not taking ALWAYSWANNAFLY back. I mean, he's already registered for the next majors with CIS Rejects and committed to playing with them in several tournaments. CIS-R were shaping up to be a decent team. At TI5, Empire seemed like a really good team that was under-performing and had to try something new to somehow evolve, so I was happy to see them add some new blood, even if it was almost impossible to find an adequate replacement for someone like yoky.

But yeah, if they take AWF back, that's once again another roster change. It might be "for free" in terms of them not getting an invite anyway, but I'm certain that this instability is hurting them. Of course, since we haven't heard much from them, it's hard to tell, really. It might down to them missing a good shot-caller, as Zeelah says. Empire might have under-performed at TI5, but their TI5-performance definitely wouldn't have them losing to the teams who are beating them these days. You might suspect that Empire are "lying low" for a while like Alliance, but that would really cost them, since they are missing out on several big tournaments in the next few month. You would think that Empire expect more from themselves than Alliance do. At least, they seem really serious and professional, whereas the Alliance-boys seem more casual.


From the Reddit-thread about yoky:

On September 26 2015 11:45 Asjo wrote:
Everyone is talking like changes have actually been made to the roster of Team Empire, but as far as I can see, nothing has been announced yet. Empire have had terrible results, but I think that them playing with a different roster almost every game is a major contributor to that. Has anyone seen any confirmation of roster changes?

I really hope that they stick by their new roster, but it's really impossible to tell where they are going. After TI5, they've played matches with ALWAYSWANNAFLY, yoky, GeneraL, PotM, Fervian in various tournaments, despite none of these officially being members of their roster. There has definitely been some instability, but there has never been an explanation as to why (except when Resolut1on was on holiday and they had GeneraL as stand-in). JotM definitely does not seem good enough to become a part of the team, and it would be if they just added their old members against, since I think they need a chance to get to the next level.
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Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1754 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-27 00:08:22
September 27 2015 00:08 GMT
#242
On September 27 2015 08:26 the bear jew wrote:
Supposedly Yoky is back with Jotm? According to some twitter by resolution
+ Show Spoiler +



Literally two posts up.
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Asjo
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Denmark664 Posts
September 27 2015 00:20 GMT
#243
On September 27 2015 09:08 Tephus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2015 08:26 the bear jew wrote:
Supposedly Yoky is back with Jotm? According to some twitter by resolution
+ Show Spoiler +

https://twitter.com/Resolut1on_/status/647804584593915904

Literally two posts up.


That's not any confirmation.
I am not sure what to say
Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1754 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-27 00:25:39
September 27 2015 00:24 GMT
#244
On September 27 2015 09:20 Asjo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2015 09:08 Tephus wrote:
On September 27 2015 08:26 the bear jew wrote:
Supposedly Yoky is back with Jotm? According to some twitter by resolution
+ Show Spoiler +

https://twitter.com/Resolut1on_/status/647804584593915904

Literally two posts up.


That's not any confirmation.

No, he (bearjew) reposted a tweet that was posted 2 posts prior.
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
September 27 2015 00:44 GMT
#245
Yeah the instability has been hurting them but if your games are absolute utter shit like Empire's have been in the past few days, that's just something you can't fix with time. Even a promising new roster might have a slow start, might need some time to gel well, but if you can't even beat what feels like T5 teams anymore with the supposed individual skill advantage you have that's just not gonna cut it.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
September 29 2015 17:52 GMT
#246
Looks like Yoky really wants to play mid. Strange that for a 'standin', he plays mid instead of resolution.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
September 29 2015 18:17 GMT
#247
On September 30 2015 02:52 DucK- wrote:
Looks like Yoky really wants to play mid. Strange that for a 'standin', he plays mid instead of resolution.

I get the impression that they're trying this out as a new configuration because yeah, he seems to want to play mid.
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Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1754 Posts
September 29 2015 18:19 GMT
#248
Apparently he originally left Empire because he wanted to play mid (which he did in his new team).
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Super_Style
Profile Joined February 2015
296 Posts
September 30 2015 17:38 GMT
#249
Im not sure whats going on in their heads honestly, you got yoky back and now it looks like the only changed player is AWF but they are still bullshitting with this yoky mid lane thing, i havent seen him one game be decent and resolution looked only decent in the offlane. They should just play their original roles and look to swap out goblak, whole 2015 he looked like a 2k mmr player whos there just to draft and feed. Tell you the truth i have no fucking idea why they even went for roster changes after TI in the first place... i guess yoky really wants to be a burden like notail is now.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
September 30 2015 17:40 GMT
#250
yoky- apparently really wants to mid
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Super_Style
Profile Joined February 2015
296 Posts
September 30 2015 17:56 GMT
#251
Well, i guess im ok with it as long as they replace goblak for a more quality player. We all know yoky was one of the best offlaners in the world and he is talented enough to become a good mid laner in time, same goes for resolution in offline. I suppose these matches dont matter much until first major but its depressing as fuck watching them get shit on every game more or less.
Byyk
Profile Joined December 2004
457 Posts
October 01 2015 09:00 GMT
#252
Is yoku back, or not?
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
October 01 2015 13:24 GMT
#253
seems like he is, for now? they're trying out things and seeing what works, just like last year. in no way it's a stable roster yet, maybe they'll get there eventually.

don't think there's a timeline where they go to a major with goblak though
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
October 01 2015 15:01 GMT
#254
Well they have to make a decision soon, the open qualifiers for the major are in less than week. After the qualifiers start I doubt roster changes are possible.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
October 01 2015 16:30 GMT
#255
Pretty fucking stupid to take the best mid and offlaner in CIS and have them on the same team in the wrong positions.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
October 01 2015 16:35 GMT
#256
On October 02 2015 01:30 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Pretty fucking stupid to take the best mid and offlaner in CIS and have them on the same team in the wrong positions.

by all accounts yoky- does not want to offlane anymore

before he joined empire he played carry and then mid and he apparently still wants to do one of those

(also G is the best mid in CIS)
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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
October 01 2015 17:34 GMT
#257
On October 02 2015 01:35 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 01:30 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Pretty fucking stupid to take the best mid and offlaner in CIS and have them on the same team in the wrong positions.

by all accounts yoky- does not want to offlane anymore

before he joined empire he played carry and then mid and he apparently still wants to do one of those

(also G is the best mid in CIS)

I get that, but it just seems silly to me. I guess if he really hates playing offlane for whatever reason then fair enough.

(Naw.)
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
October 01 2015 17:39 GMT
#258
On October 02 2015 02:34 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 01:35 Elyvilon wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:30 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Pretty fucking stupid to take the best mid and offlaner in CIS and have them on the same team in the wrong positions.

by all accounts yoky- does not want to offlane anymore

before he joined empire he played carry and then mid and he apparently still wants to do one of those

(also G is the best mid in CIS)

I get that, but it just seems silly to me. I guess if he really hates playing offlane for whatever reason then fair enough.

(Naw.)

Well, I missed the laning in the current game but they have reso on qop, yoky- on es, and ubah on tusk so I guess they are at least trying reso back on mid.
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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
October 01 2015 17:52 GMT
#259
Yeah, I can't catch the games right now, was just basing it off of the reports of others. That's good, anyway. I want a strong Empire - always an exciting team.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Super_Style
Profile Joined February 2015
296 Posts
October 01 2015 19:51 GMT
#260
Watched only the first game, it was beautiful. How did the game 2 go ?
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