EPTI'm not loving aui at #1 but there's no point making a call based on the phase where PPD doesn't know how to draft.
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Belisarius
Australia6214 Posts
I'm not loving aui at #1 but there's no point making a call based on the phase where PPD doesn't know how to draft. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On May 15 2016 05:57 hunter_x wrote: how does it feel to be in the dumpster? you did not have this for a very long time;) Hey leave the flames in the LR threads. Or if you have to flame add something thoughful to the discussion. ^_^ EG have some identity problems and after that drafting problems. But regardless of what comes, I'm a big fan of Fear. | ||
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Nikto
Slovakia410 Posts
On May 15 2016 07:27 TanGeng wrote: Hey leave the flames in the LR threads. Or if you have to flame add something thoughful to the discussion. ^_^ EG have some identity problems and after that drafting problems. But regardless of what comes, I'm a big fan of Fear. that guy just loves to trigger people but when Liquid looses and he feels they were hard done by, he moans like a schoolgirl... nothing more to say to him, just give it to him if we loose tomorrows final, you will see... (I don't want us to loose) but for the lolz it would be hilarious on an EG note, they didn't play well, the lack of real games is apparent and even though they scrim its clearly not enough | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On May 15 2016 08:18 Nikto wrote: that guy just loves to trigger people but when Liquid looses and he feels they were hard done by, he moans like a schoolgirl... nothing more to say to him, just give it to him if we loose tomorrows final, you will see... (I don't want us to loose) but for the lolz it would be hilarious on an EG note, they didn't play well, the lack of real games is apparent and even though they scrim its clearly not enough Well, no tournament is a warm up tournament, this can be a wake up tournament showing more work needs to be done. And I'm sure they will put in the work. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On May 15 2016 08:18 Nikto wrote: that guy just loves to trigger people but when Liquid looses and he feels they were hard done by, he moans like a schoolgirl... nothing more to say to him, just give it to him if we loose tomorrows final, you will see... (I don't want us to loose) but for the lolz it would be hilarious on an EG note, they didn't play well, the lack of real games is apparent and even though they scrim its clearly not enough No when the opponent wins because of skill, i will admit that. And well it's funny to annoy eg, secret and alliance fans, nothing serious. It's just funny, because those guys are used to be so Elite, and a good portion of them made fun of Bad liquid too. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On May 15 2016 16:47 hunter_x wrote: No when the opponent wins because of skill, i will admit that. And well it's funny to annoy eg, secret and alliance fans, nothing serious. It's just funny, because those guys are used to be so Elite, and a good portion of them made fun of Bad liquid too. You did moan when Liquid lost to MVP tho, and even said Liquid was the better team. You have to admit you are kinda special when it comes to that, either that or your standards are way different from everyone else. On a different topic, my opinion is Fear fits the carry role for EG better than Aui and the team would benefit more if they swapped roles. I mean dynamically, I don't dare compare them mecanically or anything like that because other than Sven I haven't seen them play the same heroes at all. For me, when Fear played carry for EG, it felt like instead of having one pos 1 2 and 3 they had three pos 2 and everyone pulled their weight to address that lack of pos 1. In a sense I believe Fear can do more with less farm where Aui can do more with more farm. Hopefully they will either realize that and try it out or adapt as five and cover the points the team is lacking at the moment. Either way, good luck and hope the team can recover healthily. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On May 15 2016 19:53 Racket wrote: You did moan when Liquid lost to MVP tho, and even said Liquid was the better team. You have to admit you are kinda special when it comes to that, either that or your standards are way different from everyone else. On a different topic, my opinion is Fear fits the carry role for EG better than Aui and the team would benefit more if they swapped roles. I mean dynamically, I don't dare compare them mecanically or anything like that because other than Sven I haven't seen them play the same heroes at all. For me, when Fear played carry for EG, it felt like instead of having one pos 1 2 and 3 they had three pos 2 and everyone pulled their weight to address that lack of pos 1. In a sense I believe Fear can do more with less farm where Aui can do more with more farm. Hopefully they will either realize that and try it out or adapt as five and cover the points the team is lacking at the moment. Either way, good luck and hope the team can recover healthily. I guess you mean when they lost against wings right? Well that was some clown 9 shit right there, and I still say liquid is better then wings. Whatever doesnt matter now. @topic i also think fear and aui should switch positions. Fear is just much more stable as a player. And you need a stable carry in the late game, when you want to win. Aui has some problems in that regard. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On May 15 2016 20:13 hunter_x wrote: I guess you mean when they lost against wings right? Well that was some clown 9 shit right there, and I still say liquid is better then wings. Whatever doesnt matter now. @topic i also think fear and aui should switch positions. Fear is just much more stabile as a player. And you need a stable carry in the late game, when you want to win. Aui has some problems in that regard. Yea sorry, Wings. I didn't care to check exactly which eastern was. Yep, the team seemed to work more in unison with Fear in carry pos. Hope to him back at it again. | ||
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deadmau
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
Fear was never a godlike allstar carry, what he was, was stable, and since there was a lot of mid-carry shit going on back then, it worked out very well because he was able to anchor the team while Sumail made big plays. The game has changed, and I think even the EG that won the last TI might struggle with the current patch until they get a full handle on it Manila is the telling moment imo. | ||
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
I don't see Manila being the test, I'd expect them to have a (relatively - 10th?) low placing. Instead, I'd look to the Summit 5 and Nanyang for EG to start making their presence felt if they're going to make a TI6 run. Anything earlier just isn't enough time. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17187 Posts
On May 15 2016 06:39 spudde123 wrote: There's quite a few people on this forum who say that Fear wants to play support due to his arm, but I've never seen him say that. Not really sure where that got started. But Aui did say in a recent interview that he specifically wanted to play carry after playing the role for DC towards the end and probably wouldn't even have joined as a support. To me it seems that Aui just doesn't have deep enough hero pool to pick from (either that or PPD picking very few carrys, so much lifestealer isn't good). | ||
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Gaial
United States313 Posts
On May 15 2016 23:15 Manit0u wrote: To me it seems that Aui just doesn't have deep enough hero pool to pick from (either that or PPD picking very few carrys, so much lifestealer isn't good). PPD also did that when Arteezy was carry, so I'm not sure if it's the player or PPD stubborness | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On May 15 2016 19:53 Racket wrote: On a different topic, my opinion is Fear fits the carry role for EG better than Aui and the team would benefit more if they swapped roles. I mean dynamically, I don't dare compare them mecanically or anything like that because other than Sven I haven't seen them play the same heroes at all. For me, when Fear played carry for EG, it felt like instead of having one pos 1 2 and 3 they had three pos 2 and everyone pulled their weight to address that lack of pos 1. In a sense I believe Fear can do more with less farm where Aui can do more with more farm. Hopefully they will either realize that and try it out or adapt as five and cover the points the team is lacking at the moment. Either way, good luck and hope the team can recover healthily. I like fear carry because he's a do something carry. You differ in the amount of activity and hero late game scaling. Fear really anchored sumail so sumail can both farm well and initiate well because EG were confident that Fear decision making and farming were good enough to hold the line in any of the outcomes. And sometimes half of the battle is just being able to show up, not letting your hero run out of mana or lose lots of health or blow cooldowns. You look at these fast reinforcing teams that transport themselves across the map, it's all based on farming with high level of battle readiness and willingness to come in. Fear did plenty with good amounts of farm too. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
The Complexity matches wasn't a complete bomb out, but it didn't go well. I think ppd thought he had the right approach to countering the really Tanky direction everything has been trending, but it just wasn't working. EG still isn't crisp as they'd want to be, I'm sure. I think that will come with some time, and figuring out hero pools. Much of Fear's carry prowess came down to his hero pool versatility. The guy can just play everything. (They actually won a game at Starladder 13 with Fear on Witch Doctor for the first time in 2 years.) ppd seems to only be picking carries for Aui that they're practiced with. That isn't a bad strategic choice, but it does limit his options some. Though the trend they actually seem to have had the most trouble with is the over-rotating to defend towers that teams do now. (MVP.P really kicked off this choice.) From a farm efficiency point of view, it's only effective if you can get several kills in the defense. (There's a reason Aui was saying ahead in farm in several games even when it seemed like he shouldn't be.) But the result of the strategy response shift has changed the way people are drafting for it. (I'm still waiting for Tower-Push Feints to start happening. Show like you're going to commit to a Top push then super fast get to the Bottom, for instance.) | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On May 15 2016 23:45 TanGeng wrote: I like fear carry because he's a do something carry. You differ in the amount of activity and hero late game scaling. Fear really anchored sumail so sumail can both farm well and initiate well because EG were confident that Fear decision making and farming were good enough to hold the line in any of the outcomes. And sometimes half of the battle is just being able to show up, not letting your hero run out of mana or lose lots of health or blow cooldowns. You look at these fast reinforcing teams that transport themselves across the map, it's all based on farming with high level of battle readiness and willingness to come in. Fear did plenty with good amounts of farm too. Yea, I meant Aui seemed to me to have a bigger impact on carries like Naga and Morph late game where Fear could pull his already mid game with Sven and stuff like that. I liked how Fear and Suma1l synergized. | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
even if Rtour begs on his knees to come back to your team, don't take him XD surprised you didn't learn that the first time around | ||
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Nikto
Slovakia410 Posts
that being said though for example in the LC game, yes Aui won many duels, but it seems on many occasions he just basically got in on the last moment, got the dmg but in the end (the grand scheme of the game) he couldn't do anything with the dmg he won from the duels, and I don't actually fault him into blinking into the chrono, although it looked a bit dumb oh and let's not forget, Fear had a stable/some may call him godlike Universe to back them all up when the going got really rough (I can't even think of how many times I've seen him dead only for him to escape on a sliver of HP and make a play), for me Bulba just didn't have that impact yet | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Still, Epicenter could've been much better. Newbee crushed with Beastmaster, which EG never adopted (despite Fear spamming jungle BM at Shanghai). Dark Seer was picked way too much. Sumail rarely got farming mids (I guess DK isn't his kind of hero) even though the tanky cores were in vogue. There's some obvious drafting limitations holding them back, which can still be ironed out. | ||
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bluzi
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