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zolasell
Profile Joined April 2016
Greece288 Posts
May 24 2016 18:49 GMT
#1881
On May 25 2016 03:23 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 21:00 Pandemona wrote:
I see Secret full resetting after TI6 again and Zai to EG unless we win TI6 in which case there will be 0 changes.

I can see the Rtz stack with cr1t being announced after ti6, it was rumored it was going to be locked in before the last lock, but rtz choose to go with Secret instead.

You mean to say RTZ goes to OG to replace n0tail and turn another team into trash just to keep building up his fame?


Well rtz is much better than n0tail.the problem is that i dont think he can play in a 4 protect 1 strategy without him being the farming core
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 25 2016 07:44 GMT
#1882
On May 25 2016 03:23 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 21:00 Pandemona wrote:
I see Secret full resetting after TI6 again and Zai to EG unless we win TI6 in which case there will be 0 changes.

I can see the Rtz stack with cr1t being announced after ti6, it was rumored it was going to be locked in before the last lock, but rtz choose to go with Secret instead.

You mean to say RTZ goes to OG to replace n0tail and turn another team into trash just to keep building up his fame?

No i mean OG lose 2-3 players and a new team is created.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-25 09:07:21
May 25 2016 09:06 GMT
#1883
On May 25 2016 03:49 zolasell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:23 Racket wrote:
On May 24 2016 21:00 Pandemona wrote:
I see Secret full resetting after TI6 again and Zai to EG unless we win TI6 in which case there will be 0 changes.

I can see the Rtz stack with cr1t being announced after ti6, it was rumored it was going to be locked in before the last lock, but rtz choose to go with Secret instead.

You mean to say RTZ goes to OG to replace n0tail and turn another team into trash just to keep building up his fame?


Well rtz is much better than n0tail.the problem is that i dont think he can play in a 4 protect 1 strategy without him being the farming core

I think rtz is too good at farming, he needs to be the 1 the others protect... if he will be one of the 4 protecting the 1, he will most likely get bored and do something stupid :-D (speculation ofc, but this is how i see rtz).
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
May 25 2016 09:08 GMT
#1884
On May 25 2016 16:44 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:23 Racket wrote:
On May 24 2016 21:00 Pandemona wrote:
I see Secret full resetting after TI6 again and Zai to EG unless we win TI6 in which case there will be 0 changes.

I can see the Rtz stack with cr1t being announced after ti6, it was rumored it was going to be locked in before the last lock, but rtz choose to go with Secret instead.

You mean to say RTZ goes to OG to replace n0tail and turn another team into trash just to keep building up his fame?

No i mean OG lose 2-3 players and a new team is created.

Its gonna be exciting to see what happends with Miracle after TI, he certainly sticks out as the nr #1 best player in the world atm.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 25 2016 09:31 GMT
#1885
On May 25 2016 18:08 Atoissen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 16:44 Pandemona wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:23 Racket wrote:
On May 24 2016 21:00 Pandemona wrote:
I see Secret full resetting after TI6 again and Zai to EG unless we win TI6 in which case there will be 0 changes.

I can see the Rtz stack with cr1t being announced after ti6, it was rumored it was going to be locked in before the last lock, but rtz choose to go with Secret instead.

You mean to say RTZ goes to OG to replace n0tail and turn another team into trash just to keep building up his fame?

No i mean OG lose 2-3 players and a new team is created.

Its gonna be exciting to see what happends with Miracle after TI, he certainly sticks out as the nr #1 best player in the world atm.

6th best player :3
Behind, Suma1l Fear PPD Bulba Aui of course :D
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
May 25 2016 13:14 GMT
#1886
If EG bombs out at Manila (which is what I expect) then the upside is they'll be playing at Nanyang and The Summit 5, so that'll be good practice for TI.
zolasell
Profile Joined April 2016
Greece288 Posts
May 25 2016 14:55 GMT
#1887
On May 25 2016 18:06 Atoissen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 03:49 zolasell wrote:
On May 25 2016 03:23 Racket wrote:
On May 24 2016 21:00 Pandemona wrote:
I see Secret full resetting after TI6 again and Zai to EG unless we win TI6 in which case there will be 0 changes.

I can see the Rtz stack with cr1t being announced after ti6, it was rumored it was going to be locked in before the last lock, but rtz choose to go with Secret instead.

You mean to say RTZ goes to OG to replace n0tail and turn another team into trash just to keep building up his fame?


Well rtz is much better than n0tail.the problem is that i dont think he can play in a 4 protect 1 strategy without him being the farming core

I think rtz is too good at farming, he needs to be the 1 the others protect... if he will be one of the 4 protecting the 1, he will most likely get bored and do something stupid :-D (speculation ofc, but this is how i see rtz).


Even if he could play the space creator role wich im not sure he can it would be a waste of his talent.after all he is one of the best farmers of the west if not the world.Same goes for miracle: even though he can play a space creator its a waste of his farming skills
zolasell
Profile Joined April 2016
Greece288 Posts
May 26 2016 09:16 GMT
#1888
Good thing for EG is that their ti6 invite is secured because they are defending their title.Newbee changed the roster after ti4 and didnt really do anything before ti5 and they still got an invite so i would imagine same goes for EG
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
May 26 2016 11:04 GMT
#1889
On May 26 2016 18:16 zolasell wrote:
Good thing for EG is that their ti6 invite is secured because they are defending their title.Newbee changed the roster after ti4 and didnt really do anything before ti5 and they still got an invite so i would imagine same goes for EG


EG's TI invite has never been in question, they have been too good and too consistent not to invite them.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 26 2016 12:15 GMT
#1890
EG, TL, Secret, OG and MVP.P all should be locks for TI.

Top 4 at Manila as well.

ESL One Frankfurt winner should be the last shot at an Invite, as well.

And Alliance probably ends up being the Marginal 10th Invite, lol.
zolasell
Profile Joined April 2016
Greece288 Posts
May 26 2016 16:32 GMT
#1891
On May 26 2016 21:15 Taf the Ghost wrote:
EG, TL, Secret, OG and MVP.P all should be locks for TI.

Top 4 at Manila as well.

ESL One Frankfurt winner should be the last shot at an Invite, as well.

And Alliance probably ends up being the Marginal 10th Invite, lol.


What if those teams get top 4 in manila? MVP TL and OG are all serious contenders. who do they invite next?
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
May 27 2016 06:52 GMT
#1892
On May 27 2016 01:32 zolasell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2016 21:15 Taf the Ghost wrote:
EG, TL, Secret, OG and MVP.P all should be locks for TI.

Top 4 at Manila as well.

ESL One Frankfurt winner should be the last shot at an Invite, as well.

And Alliance probably ends up being the Marginal 10th Invite, lol.


What if those teams get top 4 in manila? MVP TL and OG are all serious contenders. who do they invite next?

pretty sure Secret still getts an invite, even if it isnt the same that won a major.
how do they usually distribute the invites, eu 3, china 3, sea 2 and america 2 ?
eu: tl, og +1
am: eg and col?
china: hard one, but newbee seems secure, vg.r +1 ?
sea: mvpp and fnatic
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 27 2016 09:13 GMT
#1893
On May 27 2016 01:32 zolasell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2016 21:15 Taf the Ghost wrote:
EG, TL, Secret, OG and MVP.P all should be locks for TI.

Top 4 at Manila as well.

ESL One Frankfurt winner should be the last shot at an Invite, as well.

And Alliance probably ends up being the Marginal 10th Invite, lol.


What if those teams get top 4 in manila? MVP TL and OG are all serious contenders. who do they invite next?


If we got a repeat of the Top 4 from Manila, there's still who gets 5th through 8th at the Major and previous LANs.

And Alliance probably gets that 10th invite spot, haha. (They've won 2 International LANs and if they get 5th-8th, they'll get an invite.)
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 12:12:47
June 01 2016 12:11 GMT
#1894
Time for some EG hype in here!
What do you guys expect from EG at Manila?

As every other fan of other teams have pointed out, EG are kinda lucky to start off in Manila with Mineski, it wont be easy playing against a team playing on "home turf". But a win should be expected.
MVP.P is the clear group favourits, but I am hoping for EG to clinch the second place in groups ahead of LGD whom I personally havent seen to much of the last couple of months. From reading what others say about them, they are still struggling to get a good grip of the patch, and are not able to win over the stronger Chinese teams atm (Wings, Newbee.).

Some of the play at Epicenter was decent, even the games we lost were often close. I personally felt they lacked the most chemistry in the mid and lategame, espcially in the midgame were they were used to Universe making plays and take over the game. And im hoping to see especially Aui on some new heroes (no more lifestealer first phase pls).

Meh, got a bit longer then intended, im most interested to know what u others expect of EG and what is an acceptable placement for them.

My expectations: #2 in groups, win upper bracket round 1, lose in round 2, and lose in lower bracket round 4, end 5-6'th, wich would be an acceptable finish for the new squad imo.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 12:20:43
June 01 2016 12:20 GMT
#1895
The real question is, can EG beat MVP.P?

LGD is stronger than you give them credit for; they 2-0'd Ehome and drew 1-1 with Newbee 10 days ago. MVP, on the other hand, has been playing like crap since they beat EG 3-0.

I expect LGD to be 1st, then EG to beat MVP and go to upper bracket. Then they'll lose to Team Liquid (1st place group C vs 2nd place group D) and be sent to the lower bracket.

For the first time in a while, I think EG is a weaker team at this major. I expect them to finish 9/10th.
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
June 01 2016 12:39 GMT
#1896
I did most of my calculations based of power ranks, elo ranks and from reading the 6 pages in the power rank thread.
Most of what ive read is that people are rather sure that LGD is one of the weaker teams coming into the major (As I said, I havent seen them myself, so i dont know).
And people are all sure MVP.p is top4 material, one even predicitng them to win the whole thing ahead of Liquid.
So yeah, I dont know, but interesting to read a totally different opinion
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
scorpkx
Profile Joined December 2015
Australia19 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-01 12:59:01
June 01 2016 12:56 GMT
#1897
i don't know how they will do this major. i doubt they will make top 3. i just don't feel like there is any motivation to "be the best" anymore from ppd, fear and sumail. maybe aui is still in tryhard mode since he experienced over 8 months of losses after ti5 and bulba is bulba. but the other 3 just don't seem like they want to be the best any more.

every since ti5 ppd's drafting has been off (and i don't just mean this fetish he has had with one core line-ups) and from his interviews it just seems like his focus at the moment is to make enough money to pay the bills and set him up for life, fear is cruising in the 4 role and sumail is in the "i won a ti, i've already proven i'm the best" mode.

i think EG will do poorly at this major and hopefully that will shake them back into wanting to win again come ti6. the team has just never felt the same since ti5 and thats not because of rtz coming and going or universe leaving. the team just feels dead and is getting by just on pure individual skill and experience.
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
June 01 2016 13:46 GMT
#1898
I dont think the status of the team is as grim as you portray it... But I agree that I have felt a lack of motivation to be the best since TI5...
This Major will give some answeres.

Believe
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
June 01 2016 14:27 GMT
#1899
MVP is 3-11 against Fnatic, including losing 3 Best of 5's 1-3, 0-3, and 0-3. All this year. All in the past 3 months.

But MVP is going to win because that makes sense, power rankers.

LGD on the other hand, is much closer to 50% winrate against other top Chinese teams. Yeah, they lost to iG in the Summit 5, but they also beat VG.R 3-1 in ESL Frankfurt qualifiers.
zolasell
Profile Joined April 2016
Greece288 Posts
June 01 2016 15:04 GMT
#1900
On June 01 2016 23:27 Gaial wrote:
MVP is 3-11 against Fnatic, including losing 3 Best of 5's 1-3, 0-3, and 0-3. All this year. All in the past 3 months.

But MVP is going to win because that makes sense, power rankers.

LGD on the other hand, is much closer to 50% winrate against other top Chinese teams. Yeah, they lost to iG in the Summit 5, but they also beat VG.R 3-1 in ESL Frankfurt qualifiers.


Most of those games were when fnatic still had net though.Not saying that the new roster will fail.its too early to predict anything
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