it's been such a long time though, and back then it was 4p1 style, it'll take time before he find his positioning etc.

Also watching the games, Peter is trying some seriously wacky shit, trying to figure out the patch I mean giving Aui Timbersaw? Please

How can you possibly kick the guy after doing that :D

BasalGanglia

31 Posts

June 04 2016 15:47 GMT

#1922

On June 05 2016 00:05 Taf the Ghost wrote:

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There's no one to really replace anyone with, so there's little reason to do that when you give up an automatic invite.

As much as the Western Shuffle really botched things up, we're riding this way until TI.

I'm sure Arteezy will be available shortly after the Manila Major

Shaella

United States14828 Posts

June 04 2016 15:49 GMT

#1923

On June 05 2016 00:47 BasalGanglia wrote:

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I'm sure Arteezy will be available shortly after the Manila Major

which doesn't matter cause rosters are locked

stop being idiots.

Faruko

Chile34171 Posts

June 04 2016 15:53 GMT

#1924

Honestly, fear carry and bring back zai as 4th position, or if he doesnt want to... bulbo support and zai off, that doesnt break the rules too

but what do i know

LemOn

United Kingdom8629 Posts

June 04 2016 16:00 GMT

#1925

Eh, only actually feasible option is Fear and Aui swapping positions.

Also, I wouldn't blame the players, especially the loss to MVP goes entirely on PPD

bluzi

4703 Posts

June 04 2016 16:04 GMT

#1926

EG vs VG.R , should be a win for EG , lets see how they do crossing fingers for your team.

Gaial

United States313 Posts

June 04 2016 16:25 GMT

#1927

By my initial prediction, I'm expecting them to win in the BO1, then lose in the next round.

I'm standing by it, I think they can beat VG.R

zolasell

Greece288 Posts

June 04 2016 16:38 GMT

#1928

On June 05 2016 01:25 Gaial wrote:
By my initial prediction, I'm expecting them to win in the BO1, then lose in the next round.

I'm standing by it, I think they can beat VG.R

they can beat vgr in a bo3 but bo1 isnt really the sreanth of EG

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts

June 04 2016 16:46 GMT

#1929

Some absolutely awesome plays from EG today and then some awful ones, i would be pretty happy if they fell into LB round 2 bo3, but in a bo1 they could be sent home way to early for what they showed in the games. vs LGD that was some of the best Dota i have seem from this EG in game 1 and game 3 at times too. Suma1l making some awesome plays and then vs MVP they started so well game 1 and it all went wrong. Hmm oh well, maybe bracket EG will be able to stay at game 1 vs mineski and lgd level so we can fight our way through the lower bracket.

wims80

1892 Posts

June 04 2016 17:20 GMT

#1930

On June 05 2016 00:53 Faruko wrote:
Honestly, fear carry and bring back zai as 4th position, or if he doesnt want to... bulbo support and zai off, that doesnt break the rules too

but what do i know

Do you think that Aui is just going to give up his dream for the sake of Zai or whatever? It's only following the rules if both the sub and the subbed player agrees.

lolnoty

United States7166 Posts

June 04 2016 17:48 GMT

#1931

Aui is uncertain on when to engage, who to target, and assessing risk on when to leverage his hero/farm for goals. If that's not the case, he's too scared to pull the trigger if he does know.

When EG tries to run their ti5-ish strats of giving sumail the main damage core and aui the stable scaling core, he's not able to be the rock that comes from behind sumail to carry in fights. Fear got really good at making the early rotations which they've been trying to have Aui do, and the success just isn't there. EG was doing the same thing in a lot of their games with RTZ, and they were able to rack up a lot of success with him as well. (I know people like to think post ti-5 EG was a failure, but they were the best placing LAN team on average by far)

I think he lacks the slightly arrogant factor that all carries need/have near the top end of dota.

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts

June 04 2016 17:52 GMT

#1932

Aui plays one of best Sven i have seen just didn't get that from PPD in drafts outside of game 1 vs Mineski. That hero is very good on. He plays a good juggernaut too i was impressed with him on that game. Bulba wasn't as good as he was before, but Suma1l, damn guy played so well today. Shame oh well nothing is won on day 1 :D

Gaial

United States313 Posts

June 04 2016 17:54 GMT

#1933

On June 05 2016 01:38 zolasell wrote:

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they can beat vgr in a bo3 but bo1 isnt really the sreanth of EG

This isn't the EG we're used to. This is desperate EG.

I've only seen MVP vs EG because that's when I woke up. As I see it, Suma1l, Fear, and ppd have been consistant, which is good going forward. Bulba has been average to slightly below average, but he's made some good plays.

Aui on the other hand... Just listen to the casters. When do you EVER hear them saying "Aui is putting pressure here", "Aui is farming well", or "look at the play from Aui", NEVER. He needs to step up the most.

Shaella

United States14828 Posts

June 04 2016 18:15 GMT

#1934

On June 05 2016 02:52 Pandemona wrote:
Aui plays one of best Sven i have seen just didn't get that from PPD in drafts outside of game 1 vs Mineski. That hero is very good on. He plays a good juggernaut too i was impressed with him on that game. Bulba wasn't as good as he was before, but Suma1l, damn guy played so well today. Shame oh well nothing is won on day 1 :D

bulba was basically banned out.

emperorchampion

Canada9496 Posts

June 04 2016 20:25 GMT

#1935

Based off of their games against LGD I think EG is looking OK, I think they still have a decent shot at placing top 4 in tournaments later this year. Starting in the lower bracket though, I don't think they will make it too far in Manilla unfortunately. But I'm hoping for dat OG run a la Frankfurt!

Pandemona

Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts

June 04 2016 21:49 GMT

#1936

Yeah that LGD series was some excellent play, i made Suma1l dumpstered every single mid so hard haha. Oh well was frustrating and amazing to watch EG, new experience for us i guess

Oh well i guess Rtz and Universe are missing the same thing we are hahaha :D

Taf the Ghost

United States11751 Posts

June 05 2016 00:37 GMT

#1937

On June 05 2016 06:49 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah that LGD series was some excellent play, i made Suma1l dumpstered every single mid so hard haha. Oh well was frustrating and amazing to watch EG, new experience for us i guess

Oh well i guess Rtz and Universe are missing the same thing we are hahaha :D

I need to go back and watch that fight at LGD's mid T3 that cost EG in Game 3, as ppd really brought a very interesting draft and it really should have worked. Though that fight might explain most of EG's problems, but I need to go back and look closely.

Though that Draft might be the more important thing to watch for, going forward. With the way they were laning it and what has happened to the offlane in general, we might be looking at a different hero pool in Off + Safelanes being viable. If you contrast it against LGD's extremely standard 1-5 High Ground defense approach.

Though the Meta definitely requires 1 core has to be able to take Ancient stacks early. We're getting much closer to the 6.84/6.85 stacking meta. And by the end of Manila, we might be completely back there. Also, vision is insanely important.

On a more random note, ppd played a really good position 5 Phoenix. We normally see position 4s with more farm support, but he really made the hero work. Regardless of how that top lane went in Game 2 vs MVP.

Taf the Ghost

United States11751 Posts

June 05 2016 00:39 GMT

#1938

On June 05 2016 05:25 emperorchampion wrote:
Based off of their games against LGD I think EG is looking OK, I think they still have a decent shot at placing top 4 in tournaments later this year. Starting in the lower bracket though, I don't think they will make it too far in Manilla unfortunately. But I'm hoping for dat OG run a la Frankfurt!

If they can get out of the Bo1, they can make a run at Top 6. If they had beaten LGD, I'd say they'd probably end up about there as well. In their current state, I don't think they're taking out Newbee, TL or MVP. And they'd be highly likely to run into one of them before making Top 3.

Though MVP more because of style match up.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

June 05 2016 01:34 GMT

#1939

Eg so far has been generally OK outside of aui mixed performances. It's all on ppd because his drafts hasn't been that solid

WolfintheSheep

Canada14127 Posts

June 05 2016 04:38 GMT

#1940

As ppd himself said in an interview, drafting is easy when Universe and Fear played everything.

Which isn't a knock on ppd's drafting, because even with a completely blank slate there are few captains that can counter-draft, let alone do it consistently. But having to consider player limitations first makes all the difference in the world.