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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
October 24 2017 15:24 GMT
#3001
Esl tradition of very limited games in the stadium
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
October 26 2017 16:30 GMT
#3002
it's gonna be very hard to get back fromthis
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
October 26 2017 16:31 GMT
#3003
That was painful to watch... They demolished the first 20 min of the game, wtf happened qq
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-26 18:33:07
October 26 2017 18:32 GMT
#3004
demolished, Not really.
Yeah they had a lot of kills, but Secret farmed efficient and was close.
Then EG fucked Rosh up again, Secret got out of controll and EG tilted
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 26 2017 19:24 GMT
#3005
EG lost off of a rosh fight again? Didn't see the game :/
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
October 26 2017 20:09 GMT
#3006
Well, that Roshan was not as defining as vrs LGD imo, but kinda yes...

Im not good enough at dota to see what is wrong... Can someone explain what is happening
Tbh I dont feel Cr1t is the problem, he is not at GH lvl or anything like that atm, but he was trying to be creative and make things happend. Sumail still demolishes 1v1 lanes, but he doesnt seem to know or care what to do after 15 mins... the old Sumail would just go around and kill people... Why doesnt he do that anymore? Is it all because he's sick of this patch?
Fear looked rather weak... He was on a Dazzle, but still...
Universe and Rtz both look solid, but seem a little lost in the mid game.
Miss seeing Uni on real initiators like Enigma and Void etc
.
Im frustrated seeing my fav team like this, so im ranting
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
October 26 2017 20:59 GMT
#3007
It’s been a while since I’ve seen eg play a good game, but I think they are lacking a style and signature heros. Like liquid going with brood and Chen, and they can get them because you have to ban shaker/veno/kotl/prophet/etc. I don’t think eg has a single ban worthy hero from what I’ve seen. They can still beat lesser teams, but are far away from the top teams it looks like.

Really disappointing that they have seemingly given up on this patch, but to be fair fear coming in and crit changing roles is a decent change. Guess we’ll see how things go next patch, and it very early in the season.
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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-27 00:20:12
October 26 2017 23:48 GMT
#3008
laning "real" initiators is rough right now.
a lot of the teams are usually built up as a combined hybrid of heroes that can start a fight and move together well.
not really possible either to do something like safelane centaur either even with different lane setups. it's quite easy to delay games and out-scale those heroes' usefulness.

as for EG vs secret (eg's botched highground attempt after consecutive ember pickoffs) this felt rushed and out of overconfidence especially since they had 0 vision on the map at that very moment. it was a bad use of time to 5-man using not particularly strong 5-man heroes only to chip a t3 that they can take easily later into the game.

next patch will probably give some extra room for laning. the importance of levels is already quite well balanced across the positions/heroes.
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JGwinworth
Profile Joined April 2017
45 Posts
October 27 2017 05:27 GMT
#3009
Fear 5 is half the problem and i think they are unfortunately buying all-in on the SVG train and it just isnt paying off. I'm calling for heads after this bottom 4 finish.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
October 27 2017 05:37 GMT
#3010
I earlier wrote that EG draft wasn’t bad against Secret, but i have been thinking about it. I find the Dazzle pick at 3 the worst pick of the day. I has no real synergy with the two heroes earlier, it shows that Jakiro is 3, ES is 4 and Dazzle 5. Its against a magnus so they can’t/don’t pick heroes that can make heal bomb like PL. Also Dazzle is out of the meta so cant see the reason for him. They only pick one hero that can use the minus armor.
Also the Chikz pick is an out of meta, he was great in laning phase, and early mid game, because he was good at ganking. But is solo target so don’t farm well. Also they lacked initiation and stun, and seem like they could not use his invisibility as initiation for group fights. For me Weaver could do much the same but give them some tankiness that they needed, and is much more in Meta. I would have preferred with a stun. But again they could have had that is they weren’t stuck with a Jakiro offlane.
GO OG
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-27 09:28:30
October 27 2017 09:27 GMT
#3011
Yeah Dazzle pick was weird it seemed they had planned for Secret to pick differently and changed it up. If they picked up and 3 their instead and put Fear onto the Jakiro it would have worked. Maybe they were going to pick Bane but it was banned out so they let Universe take the jakiro and thought Dazzle was good for something that Secret might have wanted.

But to get to that snowballing stage like they did, rtz and sumail were at one stage 2k up on Jugg and like 3/4k up on Ember to not be able to take all T2 and press high ground properly was questionable. Then instead of chasing midone or jugg around the map they just didn't.
Also they got Aegis, didn't take all T2 and then decide to attempt high ground with <30 seconds left on Aegis timer? Why on earth xD
Forced buyback on rubick but have to run away because Rtz aegis expired, if that still had 1 minute left they might have been able to do bigger damage there.

Issue is, if we can see a bit of these problems time after time again what aren't EG seeing. Sumail said in his interview in Bucharest he felt EG were the best team going into that tournament and they expected to win and look what happened...So it not like they "aren't" trying or anything they think they are doing alot of right things and it clearly isn't working. I hope they fix some stuff vs Fnatic because losing to them in a bo3 today will be pretty embarrassing.
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Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
October 27 2017 09:52 GMT
#3012
What i find strange is that EG look so organised during the laning phase and early midgame in general, seems like everybody knows what to do, where to be in position to do a gank or help save each other, but then in mid and late game it seems like the team has no plan about how to do group fight, do high ground push or rat plays (ex. they had chlinkz and rtz didn't try to invis and take baracks or a tower).
GO OG
JGwinworth
Profile Joined April 2017
45 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-27 10:09:09
October 27 2017 10:07 GMT
#3013
Nice points and here's one more I was thinking of at the start of day 2: Don't everyone jump the gun and say that EG has arrived when they go out and most likely beat Fnatic. We all know what kind of team Fnatic is and EG should beat them easily. That doesnt mean anything other than Fnatic doesnt belong here. As EG fans were not looking for a surprise win against Fnatic, we're looking for grand finals appearances/wins which are a long shot for any tourney untill the new patch drops and we hopefully figure things out ahead of other teams.
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
October 27 2017 11:43 GMT
#3014
By LGD playing better, I did not mean to grant EG's play a reprieve. They are playing a step below all top teams.

My biggest complaints:
1) Lack of playmaking
2) Bad vision
3) Rosh fights

I don't think the drafts have been a huge deal. I do agree that dazzle was an awkward pick, but there is a little benefit to graving DP with exorcism up.

Do any of you guys think that game vs Secret would have been different if EG drafted LD instead of clinkz? I'm surprised they didn't pick it up, since Arteezy is great on the hero.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
October 27 2017 12:20 GMT
#3015
Do any of you guys think that game vs Secret would have been different if EG drafted LD instead of clinkz? I'm surprised they didn't pick it up, since Arteezy is great on the hero.


I don't really like lifestealer so much now personally, think it would have been awful. Only ES as infest bomb. Have seen lifestealer often running around without hitting anything. For me i would have picked Terrorblade, or DK as safelane (have seen it before) or CK but think it was banned.
GO OG
Gaial
Profile Joined May 2014
United States313 Posts
October 27 2017 19:49 GMT
#3016
On October 27 2017 21:20 Sapaio wrote:
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Do any of you guys think that game vs Secret would have been different if EG drafted LD instead of clinkz? I'm surprised they didn't pick it up, since Arteezy is great on the hero.


I don't really like lifestealer so much now personally, think it would have been awful. Only ES as infest bomb. Have seen lifestealer often running around without hitting anything. For me i would have picked Terrorblade, or DK as safelane (have seen it before) or CK but think it was banned.


Lone Druid! not Lifestealer!!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 27 2017 22:04 GMT
#3017
On October 27 2017 18:52 Sapaio wrote:
What i find strange is that EG look so organised during the laning phase and early midgame in general, seems like everybody knows what to do, where to be in position to do a gank or help save each other, but then in mid and late game it seems like the team has no plan about how to do group fight, do high ground push or rat plays (ex. they had chlinkz and rtz didn't try to invis and take baracks or a tower).

Think you are 100% spot on here with that.
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JGwinworth
Profile Joined April 2017
45 Posts
October 28 2017 04:44 GMT
#3018
Well another thing about these boys and maybe most players in general is that they have too much control over the team. What I mean is a team, as in every single team sport, needs someone to push them to get every ounce of that player that he has to offer. The thing with Dota or lets just speak about EG here, is that when someone pushes them, ala PPD for example, they get pissy and do what they can to not respond and either leave the team or kick the player. This isnt an argument about how PPD left the team but I mean we've all heard about how the players for the most part didnt get along and we know ppd is that kind of person/player. Im not even the biggest ppd fan I'm just stating that he is the kind of person that pushes people to get the most out of that player and most of these guys are either too young or immature to recognize that they do need to be pushed otherwise you end up with exactly what EG is now; a gathering of 5 super talented dota players that clearly just arent working together at the level needed to win tourneys. Im open to criticism but does anyone actually disagree with the main point im trying to make here? Maybe I didnt word it or express it correctly but I think its enough.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
October 28 2017 06:51 GMT
#3019
Well another thing about these boys and maybe most players in general is that they have too much control over the team. What I mean is a team, as in every single team sport, needs someone to push them to get every ounce of that player that he has to offer. The thing with Dota or lets just speak about EG here, is that when someone pushes them, ala PPD for example, they get pissy and do what they can to not respond and either leave the team or kick the player. This isnt an argument about how PPD left the team but I mean we've all heard about how the players for the most part didnt get along and we know ppd is that kind of person/player. Im not even the biggest ppd fan I'm just stating that he is the kind of person that pushes people to get the most out of that player and most of these guys are either too young or immature to recognize that they do need to be pushed otherwise you end up with exactly what EG is now; a gathering of 5 super talented dota players that clearly just arent working together at the level needed to win tourneys. Im open to criticism but does anyone actually disagree with the main point im trying to make here? Maybe I didnt word it or express it correctly but I think its enough.


What i noticed is that the players don't look very happy, not smiling alot. Even Chinese teams smile more then EG now. Dota is a game you are allowed to have fun.
GO OG
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
October 28 2017 10:27 GMT
#3020
Dota is note a game for them its their job.
Looks like money and fame was not good for their personality, they are very young and need help handling it.
When i see them play in a tourney i allways think, wow they all look so toxic and unhappy.
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