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ForTehDarkseid
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On July 11 2014 13:20 ForTehDarkseid wrote: I think Clou9 is done. iG/VG are given loses, and you're already 5-6. If you don't take at least one additional win out of Empire/Alliance/Fnatic, you're out, but even if you do chances are quite high you will have to play tie-breakers. No one is a given win or loss at this TI. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
eh, not really. it's day 3, and it's more about style of the playing team, not a general rule. | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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Ravness
United States56 Posts
;_; I still believe | ||
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MadaoStream
Greece68 Posts
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ShAdZ_ZX
Australia635 Posts
The games against Fnatic, LGD and Empire are absolute must wins I think. VG and iG will be extremely tough, and though I'd definitely give us a shot I couldn't back us with much confidence. Alliance game is kind of a coin flip, who knows how that'll play out. Having a better head to head against NAR, Titan and TL who are likely to be caught in that deadlock will certainly be nice incase there is a tie scenario, but loses to Navi and Newbee could hurt. It's going to be a cracking last 2 days, especially the later matches. Ideal scenario is we manage to sneak into the top 6 in groups, guaranteeing us a top 8 finish overall. I'd feel a lot better if I know that worst case we walk with 500k, instead of the 50k for 9/10th. | ||
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On July 11 2014 21:06 ShAdZ_ZX wrote: I'm expecting 9 wins to be the pass mark for a top 8 finish, with 8 wins leaving you in a real deadlock in the 5th - 10th spots. 6 games to go, none of which will be easy, but we'll need to win at least 3 to stay in the 8 I'd have thought. The games against Fnatic, LGD and Empire are absolute must wins I think. VG and iG will be extremely tough, and though I'd definitely give us a shot I couldn't back us with much confidence. Alliance game is kind of a coin flip, who knows how that'll play out. Having a better head to head against NAR, Titan and TL who are likely to be caught in that deadlock will certainly be nice incase there is a tie scenario, but loses to Navi and Newbee could hurt. It's going to be a cracking last 2 days, especially the later matches. Ideal scenario is we manage to sneak into the top 6 in groups, guaranteeing us a top 8 finish overall. I'd feel a lot better if I know that worst case we walk with 500k, instead of the 50k for 9/10th. Top 8 in group stages isn't actually important though, top 2, top 4, top 6, and top 10 are. There's not much of a difference between getting 7th in phase 2 and 10th in phase 2. | ||
babysimba
10466 Posts
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Ravness
United States56 Posts
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Maand
326 Posts
 . Gotta be some kind of curse. Alliances push always wrecks C9. | ||
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Khylol
United States279 Posts
I hope he's okay, and not tilting too much for these next games, bone chan you just choked but we still believe in you! | ||
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NeoRussia
Canada381 Posts
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sacrilegious
Canada863 Posts
But yea, really really sucks EG snatched up Arteezy (wtf weren't you supposed to finish school then full time DOTA??) and now have a chance at winning TI4. Especially disgusting with that a-hole Mason having a chance to do so | ||
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ShAdZ_ZX
Australia635 Posts
On July 12 2014 03:07 Elyvilon wrote: Top 8 in group stages isn't actually important though, top 2, top 4, top 6, and top 10 are. There's not much of a difference between getting 7th in phase 2 and 10th in phase 2. Yeah sorry I actually meant top 10. | ||
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Mungem
United Kingdom76 Posts
On July 12 2014 08:41 sacrilegious wrote: So I'm going to tie in EG in this... I think this team would have been 1000x better if Arteezy never left back in September for school. No disrespect to Aui, because I don't think the team is underwhelming because of him but if you had a choice between still having Arteezy on your team versus Aui 2000 then wouldn't the former be obvious? It brings me to the fact that while Singsing has been an ok replacement for Arteezy, that's the key word... just "ok". He's not great, he's not bad, he's just ok... he's not a Dendi, Arteezy, S4, or Mushi. I really thought when they were still Kaipi and Singsing stood in as a roaming support they were starting to become a good team... I think going forward I just can't see this team being together after TI4 (and no I don't think EE-sama is the biggest problem, but he could be better) But yea, really really sucks EG snatched up Arteezy (wtf weren't you supposed to finish school then full time DOTA??) and now have a chance at winning TI4. Especially disgusting with that a-hole Mason having a chance to do so Have you forgotten that Aui and Arteezy play different roles? Replacing Aui with Arteezy would force them to change their play style or change some positions around. Also Aui has been doing fine recently in my opinion. I think that the main reason C9 lose their games is due to poor decision making either in the draft or in game. | ||
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Khylol
United States279 Posts
On July 12 2014 09:02 Mungem wrote: Have you forgotten that Aui and Arteezy play different roles? Replacing Aui with Arteezy would force them to change their play style or change some positions around. Also Aui has been doing fine recently in my opinion. I think that the main reason C9 lose their games is due to poor decision making either in the draft or in game. Not only do aui and arteezy play different roles, but it's clear that arteezy fits very well with zai ppd and mason, they are all young and in some way very much just... NA dota. Aui and Envy both theorycraft and think alot about the game and tryhard in a very C9 way. They get along. | ||
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Mungem
United Kingdom76 Posts
On July 12 2014 09:32 Khylol wrote: Not only do aui and arteezy play different roles, but it's clear that arteezy fits very well with zai ppd and mason, they are all young and in some way very much just... NA dota. Aui and Envy both theorycraft and think alot about the game and tryhard in a very C9 way. They get along. Exactly. You can not just put a bunch of good players together and expect them to play well. Team chemistry is a very important factor to a team's success. | ||
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ShAdZ_ZX
Australia635 Posts
Edit: YES FUCK YES | ||
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