On July 12 2014 08:41 sacrilegious wrote: So I'm going to tie in EG in this... I think this team would have been 1000x better if Arteezy never left back in September for school. No disrespect to Aui, because I don't think the team is underwhelming because of him but if you had a choice between still having Arteezy on your team versus Aui 2000 then wouldn't the former be obvious? It brings me to the fact that while Singsing has been an ok replacement for Arteezy, that's the key word... just "ok". He's not great, he's not bad, he's just ok... he's not a Dendi, Arteezy, S4, or Mushi. I really thought when they were still Kaipi and Singsing stood in as a roaming support they were starting to become a good team... I think going forward I just can't see this team being together after TI4 (and no I don't think EE-sama is the biggest problem, but he could be better)
But yea, really really sucks EG snatched up Arteezy (wtf weren't you supposed to finish school then full time DOTA??) and now have a chance at winning TI4. Especially disgusting with that a-hole Mason having a chance to do so
Have you forgotten that Aui and Arteezy play different roles? Replacing Aui with Arteezy would force them to change their play style or change some positions around. Also Aui has been doing fine recently in my opinion. I think that the main reason C9 lose their games is due to poor decision making either in the draft or in game.
And didn't you read what I said? I'm not saying Aui is bad, but Arteezy is a major talent that given the choice if they kept the Kaipi team from last year (you do remember their time as Kaipi last year right?, and how they were decently on the rise even when Singsing played the 4) do you not think they would have been a better team than what they have now? Aui is good, and C9 is a decent team overall compared to some of the other team who god knows how they made it this far (e.g. Mouz, NarVi), but Arteezy is just a beast that probably would have made C9 better and as ridiculously good as PPD and Zai are as supports for EG, EG wouldn't be where they are if it weren't for Arteezy, that's my observation
But yes who knows, maybe Singsing would have not embraced the 4 role even though he's an underrated roamer, and with the way POTM is being used as support now I could see him wrecking shit as a roaming support.
Oh well, opinions differ. I see no problem with individual skill in the team (except maybe pie) and we have all seen that they are capable of being a top team. Also, I do remember Kaipi but that's history now. If you want to live in the past maybe EE should play a 5 and Aui play a 1.
On July 13 2014 02:26 Maand wrote: Hmm I wonder how would they do with Envy Doom and Bone7 offlane Void instead. Looked like standard C9 game, where the draft just doesn't work out.
The ONLY reason they gave envy the darkterror and bone7 the doom is because they tried giving bone7 void earlier and he almost singlehandedly lost them the game....
Not that bone7 is not a great player, but he choked and it's not his hero. I'm very happy they adapted and aren't giving it to him.
I won't say it's a good draft but that draft also relies on EE's teammates to initiate instead of putting all the pressure on him to get a good chrono initiation. Sing itemisation suck that game, and bone7 just can't adapt to a farming offlaner other than furion, he roams way too much without having impact.
On July 12 2014 08:41 sacrilegious wrote: So I'm going to tie in EG in this... I think this team would have been 1000x better if Arteezy never left back in September for school. No disrespect to Aui, because I don't think the team is underwhelming because of him but if you had a choice between still having Arteezy on your team versus Aui 2000 then wouldn't the former be obvious? It brings me to the fact that while Singsing has been an ok replacement for Arteezy, that's the key word... just "ok". He's not great, he's not bad, he's just ok... he's not a Dendi, Arteezy, S4, or Mushi. I really thought when they were still Kaipi and Singsing stood in as a roaming support they were starting to become a good team... I think going forward I just can't see this team being together after TI4 (and no I don't think EE-sama is the biggest problem, but he could be better)
But yea, really really sucks EG snatched up Arteezy (wtf weren't you supposed to finish school then full time DOTA??) and now have a chance at winning TI4. Especially disgusting with that a-hole Mason having a chance to do so
Have you forgotten that Aui and Arteezy play different roles? Replacing Aui with Arteezy would force them to change their play style or change some positions around. Also Aui has been doing fine recently in my opinion. I think that the main reason C9 lose their games is due to poor decision making either in the draft or in game.
And didn't you read what I said? I'm not saying Aui is bad, but Arteezy is a major talent that given the choice if they kept the Kaipi team from last year (you do remember their time as Kaipi last year right?, and how they were decently on the rise even when Singsing played the 4) do you not think they would have been a better team than what they have now? Aui is good, and C9 is a decent team overall compared to some of the other team who god knows how they made it this far (e.g. Mouz, NarVi), but Arteezy is just a beast that probably would have made C9 better and as ridiculously good as PPD and Zai are as supports for EG, EG wouldn't be where they are if it weren't for Arteezy, that's my observation
But yes who knows, maybe Singsing would have not embraced the 4 role even though he's an underrated roamer, and with the way POTM is being used as support now I could see him wrecking shit as a roaming support.
Oh well, opinions differ. I see no problem with individual skill in the team (except maybe pie) and we have all seen that they are capable of being a top team. Also, I do remember Kaipi but that's history now. If you want to live in the past maybe EE should play a 5 and Aui play a 1.
I guess people dont remember how we used to lose a ton of games cuz of RTZ in Kaipi...Arteezy in C9 is a bad idea anyway.We have enough players that throw already(Choke7 SingSing and EE for time to time).And also Aui and PLD r the most stable players of the team in TI so far.PLD stepped his game immensly and Aui has always been solid as a rock.The team is fine as is they just need to work on comms and palyer attitude.I rly didnt like what Bone-chan said in the interview with HotBit.That he doesnt like people telling him what to do in-game he just wants to do his "thing" what ever that is.They need a RedBull bootcamp imo,worked wonders for TL...GL further!
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