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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28091 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-06 06:39:12
November 06 2017 06:33 GMT
#1

Dota 2
7.07b Update




http://www.dota2.com/news/updates/34339/

7.07b:
==
  • Backdoor Protection damage reduction increased from 25% to 40%

  • Aeon Disk: Recipe cost reduced from 1750 to 1675
  • Mask of Madness: Armor reduction increased from 6 to 7
  • Battle Fury damage reduced from 50 to 45
  • Meteor Hammer: DPS reduced from 60/115 to 50/90 (building/units)
  • Meteor Hammer: Now deals 75/150 impact damage (buildings/units)

  • Anti-Mage: Strength gain reduced from 1.5 to 1.3
  • Anti-Mage: Base Intelligence reduced from 15 to 12
  • Anti-Mage: Spell Shield reduced from 26/34/42/50% to 20/30/40/50%
  • Anti-Mage: Level 15 changed from Blink Uncontrollable Illusion to +15 Agility
  • Anti-Mage: Level 20 changed from +10 All Stats to Blink Uncontrollable Illusion
  • Anti-Mage: Level 25 reduced from +30% Spell Shield to +25%
  • Anti-Mage: Illusion talent incoming damage increased from 250% to 300%
  • Anti-Mage: Fixed the illusion talent being able to be placed inside of your hero

  • Bane: Level 10 Talent changed from Enfeeble Steals Damage to +100 Cast Range
  • Bane: Level 15 Talent changed from +150 Cast Range to Enfeeble Steals Damage

  • Beastmaster: Wild Axes manacost increased from 60/65/70/75 to 80
  • Beastmaster: Level 20 Talent reduced from +120 Wild Axes Damage to +100
  • Beastmaster: Boar damage reduced from 20/30/40/50 to 16/24/32/40

  • Dark Willow: Bramble maze now does its damage over time (on 0.5 second intervals)
  • Dark Willow: Bedlam cooldown rescaled from 20 to 40/30/20
  • Dark Willow: Bedlam damage reduced from 75/150/225 to 60/140/220
  • Dark Willow: Cursed Crown cast range reduced from 800 to 600

  • Dragon Knight: Level 15 Talent changed from +40% XP Gain to +35 Damage

  • Drow: Level 20 Talent increased from +1.5s Gust Duration to +2s
  • Drow: Precision Aura reduced from 20/26/32/38% to 16/22/28/34%

  • Lone Druid: Spirit Bear HP regen increased from 2/3/4/5 to 4/5/6/7

  • Medusa: Strength gain reduced from 1.95 to 1.5
  • Medusa: Level 10 Talent increased from 10% Evasion to +12%
  • Medusa: Level 15 Talent increased from 10% Mystic Snake Mana Steal to +15%
  • Medusa: Level 20 Talent increased from +2s Stone Gaze Duration to +2.5s
  • Medusa: Split Shot damage from 35/50/65/80% to 30/45/60/75%

  • Mirana: Agility from 20 + 3.6 to 18 + 3.2

  • Morphling: Restored in Captain's Mode
  • Morphling: Adaptive Strike (Agility) min damage multiplier increased from 0.25 to 0.5
  • Morphling: Adaptive Strike (Agility) max damage multiplier increased from 0.5/1.0/1.5/2.0 to 1.0/1.5/2.0/2.5
  • Morphling: Adaptive Strike (Strength) min stun increased from 0.25 to 0.5
  • Morphling: Attribute Shift Bonus Agility and Strength increased from 3/4/5/6 to 4/5/6/7
  • Morphling: Level 10 Talent changed from +20 Movement Speed to +300 Waveform Range
  • Morphling: Level 25 Talent changed from +800 Waveform Range to 2 Waveform Charges

  • Kunkka: Level 25 Talent reduced from 4 Ghost Ships to 3

  • Pangolier: Swashbuckle now changes your attack damage to 24/42/60/78 rather than just dealing physical damage as an independent nuke (this means the listed amount can now proc for lifesteal, crit, etc)
  • Pangolier: Shield Crash damage reduction increased from 8/10/12/14 to 9/12/15/18%
  • Pangolier: Shield Crash now causes you to move forward 225 units (can traverse terrain with it)
  • Pangolier: Rolling Thunder now has a 1.2s cast time rather than a 1.2s channel period
  • Pangolier: Rolling Thunder turn rate increased from 105/110/115 to 120
  • Pangolier: Rolling Thunder speed increased from 550/575/600 to 600
  • Pangolier: Rolling Thunder speed is now fixed
  • Pangolier: Rolling Thunder damage increased from 200/250/300 to 200/275/350
  • Pangolier: Fixed Swashbuckle attacks not affecting Spell Immune units
  • Pangolier: Level 25 Talent increased from -12s Rolling Thunder to -16s

  • Riki: Level 15 Talent increased from -4s Smokescreen Cooldown to -5s
  • Riki: Base agility reduced from 34 to 30

  • Spirit Breaker: Netherstrike cooldown rescaled from 80/70/60 to 100/80/60

  • Sven: God's Strength reduced from 12/24/36 to 10/20/30
  • Sven: Level 25 Talent increased from -8s Stormhammer Cooldown to -9s

  • Templar Assassin: Level 10 Talent increased from +200 Health to +250
  • Templar Assassin: Psionic Traps bonus damage increased from 100/125/150 to 175/250/325

  • Tiny: Base strength increased by 4
  • Tiny: Tree Grab cooldown from 40/32/24/16 to 15
  • Tiny: Tree Grab splash damage from 70% to 100%
  • Tiny: Tree Grab unit bonus damage increased from 25% to 30%
  • Tiny: Tree Grab attack count increased from 2/3/4/5 to 2/3/4/6
  • Tiny: Grow attack speed reduction rescaled from -30 to -20/25/30
  • Tiny: Tossed unit bonus damage increased from 20% to 30%
  • Tiny: Level 10 Talent increased from +25 Damage to +30
  • Tiny: Level 10 Talent increased from +15% Magic Resistance to +20%

  • Vengeful Spirit: Allied Death Illusion duration reduced from 7 to 6
  • Vengeful Spirit: Base damage reduced by 3

  • Visage: Familiar attack damage increased from 25/40/55 to 30/45/60
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28091 Posts
November 06 2017 06:41 GMT
#2
AM got rekt I guess.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-06 06:48:47
November 06 2017 06:48 GMT
#3
Nooo they're killing my memes
Bane: Level 10 Talent changed from Enfeeble Steals Damage to +100 Cast Range
Bane: Level 15 Talent changed from +150 Cast Range to Enfeeble Steals Damage


Also :
Morphling: Restored in Captain's Mode

I wasn't under the impression the hero was playable



Templar Assassin: Level 10 Talent increased from +200 Health to +250
Templar Assassin: Psionic Traps bonus damage increased from 100/125/150 to 175/250/325

This hero is utter garbage in pubs with a 42% winrate, but still sorta playable in pro games. Not sure this is the approach to take.

Pangolier also looks to be somewhat decent now, or at least incredibly annoying to play against (jumping cliffs with shield smash without ult now means he can jump cliffs with 2 abilities)
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
November 06 2017 06:53 GMT
#4
On November 06 2017 15:48 Nevuk wrote:
Nooo they're killing my memes
Show nested quote +
Bane: Level 10 Talent changed from Enfeeble Steals Damage to +100 Cast Range
Bane: Level 15 Talent changed from +150 Cast Range to Enfeeble Steals Damage


Also :
Show nested quote +
Morphling: Restored in Captain's Mode

I wasn't under the impression the hero was playable


Show nested quote +

Templar Assassin: Level 10 Talent increased from +200 Health to +250
Templar Assassin: Psionic Traps bonus damage increased from 100/125/150 to 175/250/325

This hero is utter garbage in pubs with a 42% winrate, but still sorta playable in pro games. Not sure this is the approach to take.

Pangolier also looks to be somewhat decent now, or at least incredibly annoying to play against (jumping cliffs with shield smash without ult now means he can jump cliffs with 2 abilities)

I haven't looked but I wonder if thats just due to relative skill level. At my mmr I can't do jack with TA, but when playing wither lower MMR friends it's a hero of choice if I want to win.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-06 07:01:43
November 06 2017 06:57 GMT
#5
On November 06 2017 15:53 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2017 15:48 Nevuk wrote:
Nooo they're killing my memes
Bane: Level 10 Talent changed from Enfeeble Steals Damage to +100 Cast Range
Bane: Level 15 Talent changed from +150 Cast Range to Enfeeble Steals Damage


Also :
Morphling: Restored in Captain's Mode

I wasn't under the impression the hero was playable



Templar Assassin: Level 10 Talent increased from +200 Health to +250
Templar Assassin: Psionic Traps bonus damage increased from 100/125/150 to 175/250/325

This hero is utter garbage in pubs with a 42% winrate, but still sorta playable in pro games. Not sure this is the approach to take.

Pangolier also looks to be somewhat decent now, or at least incredibly annoying to play against (jumping cliffs with shield smash without ult now means he can jump cliffs with 2 abilities)

I haven't looked but I wonder if thats just due to relative skill level. At my mmr I can't do jack with TA, but when playing wither lower MMR friends it's a hero of choice if I want to win.

Maybe, her winrate is about 6-7% higher at 5k than it is at <2k. Her winrate wasn't amazing last patch (44%) and it dropped to 41% after the patch, though I don't remember any direct nerfs.

Got some stats for VH for 7.07 directly, only 44% wr at VH : http://dotamax.com/hero/rate/?ladder=y&skill=n&time=v707

Can't check 5k bracket on that but dotabuff is still mostly last patch on their data.

And holy shit am with 59% winrate is fucking absurd, I thought it was inflated due to turbo but nah, that was true for ranked matches too.
Crazy.Medic
Profile Joined April 2004
Korea (South)54 Posts
November 06 2017 07:02 GMT
#6
TA is one of the strongest heroes if you can take advantage of her strengths, but she is completely garbage for 99% of the playerbase.
EmuSmurf
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-06 07:13:41
November 06 2017 07:13 GMT
#7
Lone Druid: Spirit Bear HP regen increased from 2/3/4/5 to 4/5/6/7

Matu, why didn't you play better LD during Dotapit? Now you even got a buff...
There can only be one Geisterkarle
digitalctrash
Profile Joined September 2017
San Marino74 Posts
November 06 2017 07:44 GMT
#8
nerfs
nerfs
nerfs

-mirana
*tap*

nerfs
nerfs

add pango and tony to the game
dankey mang best cahempnnon
Nagvalk
Profile Joined June 2011
South Africa220 Posts
November 06 2017 09:30 GMT
#9
Thank goodness for being a 2.5k scrub- pangolier wrecks shit down here!
Dunno if its the same higher up, but people were bitching about him being bad because they tried to play him as a right-clicker, which I feel he only becomes late game. Early game is all about swashbuckle and shield crash, you destroy people with that.

That tiny buff was so needed, he was total garbage
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
November 06 2017 10:15 GMT
#10
And holy shit am with 59% winrate is fucking absurd, I thought it was inflated due to turbo but nah, that was true for ranked matches too.


I've been playing a lot since the patch and yes, AM was pretty much le gg. You could destroy him early, if you didn't convince your team to end the game, then... well, see winrate %.
Resistance ain't futile
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
November 06 2017 11:39 GMT
#11
On November 06 2017 19:15 Murlox wrote:
Show nested quote +
And holy shit am with 59% winrate is fucking absurd, I thought it was inflated due to turbo but nah, that was true for ranked matches too.


I've been playing a lot since the patch and yes, AM was pretty much le gg. You could destroy him early, if you didn't convince your team to end the game, then... well, see winrate %.

I don't see that changing with this patch though, the illusion spam is broken af.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
November 06 2017 11:59 GMT
#12
ta is pretty good once u know how to farm and stack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
November 06 2017 12:28 GMT
#13
Why is Riki so nerfed
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 06 2017 12:31 GMT
#14
On November 06 2017 16:13 Geisterkarle wrote:
Show nested quote +
Lone Druid: Spirit Bear HP regen increased from 2/3/4/5 to 4/5/6/7

Matu, why didn't you play better LD during Dotapit? Now you even got a buff...

I am pretty sure that's the exact reason he didn't play better. xD

Also, Medusa and AM nerfs, well done, both felt way too good after the update, especially Medusa.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 06 2017 15:58 GMT
#15
What is TA garbage now? What changed I had 63%wr on her -ish in solo q ranked
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
November 06 2017 16:10 GMT
#16
All of the AM talents seem pretty close. What do you go for?
super gg
Crazy.Medic
Profile Joined April 2004
Korea (South)54 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-06 17:10:57
November 06 2017 17:09 GMT
#17
On November 07 2017 00:58 LemOn wrote:
What is TA garbage now? What changed I had 63%wr on her -ish in solo q ranked

TA has mostly had a really low winrate for quite some time, but she is one of the best pub stomp heroes regardless of that. She takes advantage of games where you are the best player and she has certain mechanics which can be abused quite well at lower levels (being able to farm so fast clearing stacks with Psi blades, being able to two shot supports with only Blink/Deso, etc), which is why you see a lot of pros spamming Storm/TA/etc when they smurf. She's also a great laner unless you're against like Viper/Veno/Jakiro mid

For the most part people can't take advantage of her skillset so she tends to err on the low winrate side. Even 8k+ players won't pick her on their main accounts unless there are close to no counters.
EmuSmurf
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 06 2017 18:28 GMT
#18
I don't really know if the changes are nearly enough for tiny but I can't wait to try playing him more lol I love the 0 agility meme even if it's awful
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 06 2017 18:30 GMT
#19
I think tiny should have been given a higher str gain in return for 0 agi, to make it more that he's weaker against phys and stronger against magic, but instead he's just weaker against physical (by a lot with the craggy removal)
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-06 20:07:42
November 06 2017 20:07 GMT
#20
On November 07 2017 02:09 Crazy.Medic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2017 00:58 LemOn wrote:
What is TA garbage now? What changed I had 63%wr on her -ish in solo q ranked

TA has mostly had a really low winrate for quite some time, but she is one of the best pub stomp heroes regardless of that. She takes advantage of games where you are the best player and she has certain mechanics which can be abused quite well at lower levels (being able to farm so fast clearing stacks with Psi blades, being able to two shot supports with only Blink/Deso, etc), which is why you see a lot of pros spamming Storm/TA/etc when they smurf. She's also a great laner unless you're against like Viper/Veno/Jakiro mid

For the most part people can't take advantage of her skillset so she tends to err on the low winrate side. Even 8k+ players won't pick her on their main accounts unless there are close to no counters.

Oh so nothing's changed really? I pick her vs invoker/zeus/Dk and other stuff
It's true I abandoned and randomed myself so low that everyone sucks in lane all almost all my farmers have 60% WR xD

And when I pick support I get calibrated crappy cores
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
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