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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 12 2016 18:48 GMT
#21
GGWP!
Congratulations to Liquid and OG for an impressive performance respectively!
passive quaranstream fan
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 12 2016 18:48 GMT
#22
they also become the first team to have won two official Valve tournaments


Wasn't DAC a Valve tournament? Feels weird that it isn't, considering it got a official site Compendium.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
June 12 2016 19:04 GMT
#23
OG got the Eaglesong and Reaver trophies. Good fucking shit man.

All games between NB OG and TL were good games. But I felt like all games against NB were the most high level and nail biting. TI6 is gonna be interesting to watch, NB wants revenge.
Skol
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 12 2016 19:07 GMT
#24
On June 13 2016 03:48 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
they also become the first team to have won two official Valve tournaments


Wasn't DAC a Valve tournament? Feels weird that it isn't, considering it got a official site Compendium.


It seems the official line is going to be that it was a "Valve-sponsored" event, not a "Valve-run" event. So "Valve Event" stats won't include it. So DAC functionally ends up being the Proto-Major.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 12 2016 19:32 GMT
#25
On June 13 2016 04:07 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 03:48 WolfintheSheep wrote:
they also become the first team to have won two official Valve tournaments


Wasn't DAC a Valve tournament? Feels weird that it isn't, considering it got a official site Compendium.


It seems the official line is going to be that it was a "Valve-sponsored" event, not a "Valve-run" event. So "Valve Event" stats won't include it. So DAC functionally ends up being the Proto-Major.

In that case, wouldn't Frankfurt and Shanghai not count as well?

Seems like weird lines to draw.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
June 12 2016 19:50 GMT
#26
On June 13 2016 04:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 04:07 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On June 13 2016 03:48 WolfintheSheep wrote:
they also become the first team to have won two official Valve tournaments


Wasn't DAC a Valve tournament? Feels weird that it isn't, considering it got a official site Compendium.


It seems the official line is going to be that it was a "Valve-sponsored" event, not a "Valve-run" event. So "Valve Event" stats won't include it. So DAC functionally ends up being the Proto-Major.

In that case, wouldn't Frankfurt and Shanghai not count as well?

Seems like weird lines to draw.

I'll just pop in and give you an explanation for the word choice here:
Yes DAC was Valve sponsored, but it wasn't a part of the TI season if that makes sense? I could have written "first team to win two majors" but then it wouldn't be as clear that this also includes past TI's.

Not gonna say what's right and what's not, but that's why I worded it the way it did.
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ncsix
Profile Joined February 2012
1370 Posts
June 12 2016 20:06 GMT
#27
Props to OG. They clearly played the better game. Kuro on enchant n jerax on disruptor were sniped too many times by OG. That failed batrider first blood on moon.. i dont even.. gg
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-12 20:21:45
June 12 2016 20:20 GMT
#28
On June 13 2016 04:50 Julmust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 04:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 13 2016 04:07 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On June 13 2016 03:48 WolfintheSheep wrote:
they also become the first team to have won two official Valve tournaments


Wasn't DAC a Valve tournament? Feels weird that it isn't, considering it got a official site Compendium.


It seems the official line is going to be that it was a "Valve-sponsored" event, not a "Valve-run" event. So "Valve Event" stats won't include it. So DAC functionally ends up being the Proto-Major.

In that case, wouldn't Frankfurt and Shanghai not count as well?

Seems like weird lines to draw.

I'll just pop in and give you an explanation for the word choice here:
Yes DAC was Valve sponsored, but it wasn't a part of the TI season if that makes sense? I could have written "first team to win two majors" but then it wouldn't be as clear that this also includes past TI's.

Not gonna say what's right and what's not, but that's why I worded it the way it did.

Get the sentiment and the point, and winning two majors is definitely noteworthy, considering how few repeat winners there are in these $1million+ tournaments.

Just feels like a lot of stretching done to exclude DAC just to get that "first" claim in.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
June 12 2016 20:34 GMT
#29
DAC wasn't a part of TI or the majors, which are what people consider valve tournaments.

DAC was a perfect world tournament sponsored by valve.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
celguek
Profile Joined August 2015
2 Posts
June 12 2016 21:22 GMT
#30
After watching group stages, the finals are mixed of NB, OG, TL, and LGD.

Hope Agressif and Maybe step up their game (I'm sure they are gonna do it, they have xiao8).

TI6 HYPE!!!!! Some teams hungry their revenge to be fulfilled, DOTA will be more interesting.
Keardan
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands527 Posts
June 12 2016 21:30 GMT
#31
Small typo: the text on the homepage says "After getting knocked down by in the groups OG has just become better with every game", missing "Newbee" there.
If I'm asking noob questions, it's because I'm a noob, not because I'm being sarcastic.
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
June 12 2016 22:11 GMT
#32
On June 13 2016 06:30 Keardan wrote:
Small typo: the text on the homepage says "After getting knocked down by in the groups OG has just become better with every game", missing "Newbee" there.

Thanks, the text becomes too long for the standard res if you add newbee, so I simply removed the "by". Fixed now
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
Skank
Profile Joined October 2010
United States329 Posts
June 12 2016 22:22 GMT
#33
Amazing games. OG is no longer a one trick Pony. I love how much notail has matured, as well as Moon, giving OG three relevant cores. It's not Miracle plus four.
"To be honest, to play protoss is ridiculously simple" -NesTea
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
June 12 2016 23:34 GMT
#34
I never stopped being an OG fan
Brood War loyalist
jinfreaks
Profile Joined July 2010
United States94 Posts
June 13 2016 01:25 GMT
#35
On June 13 2016 01:16 Dysisa wrote:
I don't get this talk of OG somehow having been in a "slump" until now. Sure they didn't play as good as at Frankfurt or Manila in most of the months in-between, but they sure as hell were never bad. Aside from arguably Shanghai and DotaPit (a single elim tourney, where they went out to MVP when they were probably at their very best), they've had nothing but respectable finishes. What Secret is going through right now, THAT'S a slump.

Still though that's a very minor thing in this whole writeup, you did a great job with it overall!


I agree, I don't think OG was in a slump following Frankfurt major. It was more that after teams found out that they were good following frankfurt, that OG got a target on their back and had a hard time adjusting to it (as is true with almost every team that bursts into stardom)
Evander Berry Wall
Profile Joined June 2014
United States1137 Posts
June 13 2016 02:02 GMT
#36
ESL is coming right up. So we'll get an immediate look into OG's consistency.
jinfreaks
Profile Joined July 2010
United States94 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-13 02:45:05
June 13 2016 02:43 GMT
#37
there is a factual error. OG is the second team to win two valve events

the first team to win two valve events is acutally EG. Having won last years DAC in shanghai and TI5. It could be said that EG is the only team to consecutively win back to back Valve events.

edit: after reading comments, I guess its fine the way its worded...
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
June 13 2016 05:20 GMT
#38
OG was the most impressive team by far.

Maybe, however, was the most impressive player to me. I always knew he was good - hell he was one of the best before this tournament. But this tournament solidified my appreciation of his skill as above others (with the exception of a peak CTY, peak 430 and peak Arteezy). Just my opinion of course.

Also my MVP of the finals is tied between Notail, Crit, and Fly. I gave Notail too little respect. Thought Matumba would always outplay and outfarm him but in positional fights, Notail almost always got the better of him.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-13 17:43:53
June 13 2016 17:42 GMT
#39
Done with my travel, and as I said before, I will see how I did...

http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/509142-manila


First, it will be even between the different regions' teams. Different from the results of Shanghai, most of the Chinese teams will make it to the top group. So will the Koreans. However, they will still have a difficult time with the best European teams in the tournament, who are still the region to take down. It will be close games between all but a few teams, so top teams going out early will happen, and the groups are going to see a lot of lelz, but because the tournament is so long, being able to change will be the most important and only the smart teams will be able to do it.


This call was right.


Second, among the European and American teams, American teams are almost certainly going to be the worst of the two. I do not see a sudden rise in American skill come Manila; they will be around the middle of teams. Russia may see one or two of their teams do well, but they won't win. For Southeast Asia, Koreans will end way above Fnatic, as they have in previous big tournaments, and might even win, though that'll be up to whether they have new strategies and heroes to bring in.


Europeans > Americans did happen, but Eastern European teams did not do as well as I thought they would before going out, and while MVP did last longer than Fnatic, they didn't place way above. Fnatic doing about as well as MVP was the surprise for me.


For China, people will look to Xiao8's team and Newbee but I don't think they have the best pick and strategy, so unless their new teams do well, China won't win, and in my opinion, VGR is in fact their hope, but their results will be completely on their middle player's ability to play well in his first international tournament, and you can't say he will. For the West, it's never easy to see which team will suddenly step up, but I think the two best teams going in are obvious to those who have seen the recent tournament.


As I said, Newbee and Xiao8's team won't win, so unless the new Chinese teams could bring it - and they didn't - there won't be a China win. The old Chinese teams are too easy to prepare for because they always play the same way.


It will be one of the best tournaments. Unlike Shanghai, the best Western teams are not way ahead of other regions' teams in skill, though they still do have the advantage in strategy, since the best Western teams have more heroes they can play than teams in other regions. The player changes started by Secret is the reason why the West is no longer obviously the best - it brought an end to a year when PPD's team and Puppey's team were the best teams in the West. Now both teams are not at their best going into the tournament. People will blame Arteezy, but the fault is equally Puppey's and EternalEnvy's. Still, because the West has so many top teams, it's still not too bad..


This was, I think, obvious - the big difference between this year and the last was the fall of these two teams, and the rise of two different Western teams to take their place.

All in all, I'd say it was a solid Azarkon tournament.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
June 13 2016 22:30 GMT
#40
One of the best tournaments I've ever followed. The crowd, the production team, they games are all top notch.
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