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Julmust
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Sweden4867 Posts
June 12 2016 13:15 GMT
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Looking back on the Manila Major I don’t think there can be any doubt, the right team won the tournament. After getting knocked down by Newbee in the groups OG has just become better and better with every game, culminating in a dominating performance in the grand finals versus Team Liquid. With this win OG, not only become ~$1,1 million richer, they also become the first team to have won two official Valve tournaments, a feat that only grows when you consider the problems the team suffered after their Frankfurt win, a months-long slump. Even though as a true Liquid fan, it stings to say, it has to be said, “Congratulations OG, you were the better team this tournament.”

Lower Bracket Finals

In the lower bracket finals, we saw Team Liquid go up against another Chinese opponent, NewBee, after defeating LGD yesterday. TL could not have gotten a worse start to the last day of the tournament as Newbee managed to sneak in a surprise Winter Wyvern pick, that completely nullified Liquid’s strat. But that was not everything Newbee did right. Thanks to positional mistakes from Liquid before the runespawn Newbee managed to pick up 2x kills and thus got to start the game with a huge advantage. As the game progressed that gap was never even closed to getting closed, and once kpii managed to pick up a blink dagger on slardar after just 8½ minutes, the game was all but over.

Liquid now found themselves in a situation they had not been in before. They were one loss away from being eliminated, but as they walked out of the booth Kuroky seemed confident and had this smile on his face that showed Liquid’s determination. And that determination would bring Liquid back in this series. In game 2, it was their turn to show Newbee that they could control a game. Thanks to an aggressive early game Mind_Control went out of control on his weaver in lane, and even though Newbee looked hot in the middle game, much thanks to the tankability of kpii’s Bristleback, Liquid managed to fairly safely control the game, forcing a deciding game 3.

While Liquid had previously always picked up a Lycan for Matumbaman and heavily favored the Dragon Knight for FATA, all that went out the window in game 3. Liquid showed off a pocked strat with a safelane Drow and a midlane Medusa, an incredibly greedy but potentially very strong draft. The game went pretty much how you’d expect it to go, when a team with a greedy lineup manages to win. Newbee did pull ahead in the early and early-mid game, before Liquid could get the right items on their heroes. Once that timing hit though, there was nothing Newbee could do, as their lead simply wasn’t big enough. Liquid takes out Newbee 2-1 and advance to play OG in the grand finals.

Grand Finals

Right off the bat in the grand finals Kuroky and co. showed that they did not fear OG, no matter how impressive their run in the upper bracket had been. In the draft of game 1 they gave OG the Lifestealer and then instantly, and we mean seconds after Naix pick, locked in Slardar and Riki. It was clear that OG had gone into Liquid’s trap, and Kuroky had OG exactly where he wanted them. Liquids lineup perfectly countered everything OG tried to do and in combination with absolutely brilliant play from every member of Liquid, Liquid easily won the first game.

But OG adapted and how they adapted. Games 2 and 3, grouped together because they were basically the same game, OG showed that not only could they outdraft Liquid, they could use the heroes Liquid had relied on the entire tournament to beat them, as they picked up a Phoenix for themselves early in every draft. In games 2 and 3, the name of the game was Void - Phoenix, an incredibly potent combination when executed correctly, as OG did. It did not matter who played the heroes on OG’s side, they actually switched Void from Notail to Moonmeander from game 2 to 3, it seemed like Liquid had no response to this strategy. This could, in part, be attributed to Fly’s great drafting, where he exploited strategies from Liquid which focused too heavily on melee heroes. It was giving OG the opening for some great Chronosphere’s, and it was also aided by the fact that positioning of Liquid was sometimes off. Instead of spreading out allowing OG to catch 1-2 heroes in the bubble, there were too many times where Liquid got caught out of position.

So came game number 4. Liquid had lost two games with some of their most played heroes and the confidence Liquid exuded during game 1 was lost. On the other side of the stage was OG who, understandably, looked like a million bucks. They had unlocked the secret to beating Liquid somehow, and things needed to be shook up if they were going to lose this opportunity. Liquid did their best in the draft, picking up a safelane Weaver and a mid Lone Druid. At first, it looked like this would be enough to shake OG who countered with an Elder Titan, Wraith King, and Templar Assassin. This paired with a Phoenix and a Batrider game, saw OG field almost the same lineup as they used in their dominating deathless shutout of a performance against MVP Phoenix earlier in the brackets. The result is known now, but as it was being played out, this game was a close call for OG. For roughly the first 30 minutes the game swung back and forth between the two teams, and for a while it looked like Liquid would be able to force yet another deciding game. Unfortunately, for Liquid fans, that was not the case. After Miracle and Notail hit some critical item timings they, together with the ET aura, just melted Liquid and for the last 15 minutes of the game even Moonmeanders sister could probably tell that her brother had won another major.

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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
June 12 2016 13:19 GMT
#2
the 2 patch kings!
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
June 12 2016 13:26 GMT
#3
Posted this in the TL thread

On June 12 2016 22:23 spudde123 wrote:
[nahaz]
OG has won 2 majors, both finals 3-1. In all the 6 games they won, the enemy 1st phase picked Slardar. Actually, in both finals the enemy first phase picked Slardar in every game.
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rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
June 12 2016 13:31 GMT
#4
Oh my fucking god.

I was so hyped on the final gg call I literally jumped out of my seat.

I've probably cheered my lungs out and will probably have a very hoarse voice tomorrow. Good thing I took tomorrow off work as well.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
June 12 2016 13:33 GMT
#5
OG always sneak up on me fairly low profile and win a Major along with it. Congratulations, they were clearly the best team here and should be carrying the momentum to TI6.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
June 12 2016 13:34 GMT
#6
I'm pretty sad as a liquid fan but every player in the finals on both sides really gave it all. Really happy for OG that they managed to repeat and really happy that Mind_Control and Jerax seemed to have improved so much you would think it's another person playing. (not that they were bad before)

what a major this was Also huge shout out to Newbee for an amazing lb finals.
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TheVideoGameGuy
Profile Joined May 2015
India211 Posts
June 12 2016 13:47 GMT
#7
Amazing finals. Amazing major. Amazing production value. Amazing crowd. Literally a new standard for me in everything esports, this major.
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Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
June 12 2016 14:12 GMT
#8
Every game between top 3 teams in this major showcased, what is to me, the best dota this year. Extremely high level play, they really looked like in another class compared to everyone else.

GG WP
Gamerhcp
Profile Joined May 2015
734 Posts
June 12 2016 14:28 GMT
#9
Congrats to OG. Would be amazing if Liquid won 3-1 but oh well
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
June 12 2016 15:01 GMT
#10
Suck it, Shanghai, this is how it's done.


Amazing tournament
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44153 Posts
June 12 2016 15:05 GMT
#11
It would've been really cool if liquid won and we got 3 double major finalist instead.

Oh well gg
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Oddball28
Profile Joined May 2013
Denmark2121 Posts
June 12 2016 15:50 GMT
#12
Honestly think it's going to be a while before we see a tournament top this one, it seems that it had it all

Really enjoyed watching it
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Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66170 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-12 16:06:44
June 12 2016 16:05 GMT
#13
i personally really liked OG's game 3 draft - picking void and juggernaut but leaving the lanes open

is it a n0tail safelane jugg? mid miracle jugg again? carry void again or offlane moon void? then surprise last pick with a sven

overall, fly's draft was really smart and on point, and the ENTIRETY of OG played so damn well this tournament (except for the final's game 1 moon... what the hell did that beastmaster accomplish?!). it no longer feels like a miracle + 4, but truly a strong, united team of 5 incredible players.

so proud of my OG boys <3

also subtle brag:

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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
June 12 2016 16:07 GMT
#14
Liquid, king of kongs.

The top 3 proved to be way ahead of the rest outside of that slip up from liquid against MVP. I hope some teams will catch up. The coordination of those three teams is on a level never seen before imo, a new standard is set.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66170 Posts
June 12 2016 16:09 GMT
#15
On June 13 2016 01:07 nojok wrote:
Liquid, king of kongs.

The top 3 proved to be way ahead of the rest outside of that slip up from liquid against MVP. I hope some teams will catch up. The coordination of those three teams is on a level never seen before imo, a new standard is set.

i would nearly consider LGD in the same category as the top 3

aggressif just needs to step up his play a little bit more, and i think they are really top 3 material.
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Dysisa
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden2376 Posts
June 12 2016 16:16 GMT
#16
I don't get this talk of OG somehow having been in a "slump" until now. Sure they didn't play as good as at Frankfurt or Manila in most of the months in-between, but they sure as hell were never bad. Aside from arguably Shanghai and DotaPit (a single elim tourney, where they went out to MVP when they were probably at their very best), they've had nothing but respectable finishes. What Secret is going through right now, THAT'S a slump.

Still though that's a very minor thing in this whole writeup, you did a great job with it overall!
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Gear 3rd
Profile Joined July 2011
1244 Posts
June 12 2016 16:41 GMT
#17
I mean yes I am Hella sad that tl lost... But let's not forget that this is what their 5th consecutive finals now? This is pretty damn impressive if u ask me. I always feared for them getting caught off guard since the Navi match but they proved me wrong. I am satisfied with the result since I like OG a lot as well and I'm pumped for seeing them in ffm. This was a great major! Through and through
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Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9562 Posts
June 12 2016 16:42 GMT
#18
Well, after watching the grand finals today call me a believer (and a turn-coat). ----> new shiny OG flare.
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SnowStormer
Profile Joined July 2012
Norway275 Posts
June 12 2016 17:24 GMT
#19
On June 13 2016 01:42 Latham wrote:
Well, after watching the grand finals today call me a believer (and a turn-coat). ----> new shiny OG flare.


All these eg and secret shuffles makes becoming a turn-coat tempting.
I won't though, I'll stick it out. Despite how much I dislike RTZ.
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phantomlancer23
Profile Joined May 2013
730 Posts
June 12 2016 18:47 GMT
#20
Nice tournament many gratz to og,also liquids lower bracket streak was amazing too.The current meta is kind of meh though, too much focused on 5v5 fights,i dont know whats wrong maybe the smokes should be nerfed or rosan whatever i dont know.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 12 2016 18:48 GMT
#21
GGWP!
Congratulations to Liquid and OG for an impressive performance respectively!
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 12 2016 18:48 GMT
#22
they also become the first team to have won two official Valve tournaments


Wasn't DAC a Valve tournament? Feels weird that it isn't, considering it got a official site Compendium.
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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10656 Posts
June 12 2016 19:04 GMT
#23
OG got the Eaglesong and Reaver trophies. Good fucking shit man.

All games between NB OG and TL were good games. But I felt like all games against NB were the most high level and nail biting. TI6 is gonna be interesting to watch, NB wants revenge.
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 12 2016 19:07 GMT
#24
On June 13 2016 03:48 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
they also become the first team to have won two official Valve tournaments


Wasn't DAC a Valve tournament? Feels weird that it isn't, considering it got a official site Compendium.


It seems the official line is going to be that it was a "Valve-sponsored" event, not a "Valve-run" event. So "Valve Event" stats won't include it. So DAC functionally ends up being the Proto-Major.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 12 2016 19:32 GMT
#25
On June 13 2016 04:07 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 03:48 WolfintheSheep wrote:
they also become the first team to have won two official Valve tournaments


Wasn't DAC a Valve tournament? Feels weird that it isn't, considering it got a official site Compendium.


It seems the official line is going to be that it was a "Valve-sponsored" event, not a "Valve-run" event. So "Valve Event" stats won't include it. So DAC functionally ends up being the Proto-Major.

In that case, wouldn't Frankfurt and Shanghai not count as well?

Seems like weird lines to draw.
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Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
June 12 2016 19:50 GMT
#26
On June 13 2016 04:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 04:07 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On June 13 2016 03:48 WolfintheSheep wrote:
they also become the first team to have won two official Valve tournaments


Wasn't DAC a Valve tournament? Feels weird that it isn't, considering it got a official site Compendium.


It seems the official line is going to be that it was a "Valve-sponsored" event, not a "Valve-run" event. So "Valve Event" stats won't include it. So DAC functionally ends up being the Proto-Major.

In that case, wouldn't Frankfurt and Shanghai not count as well?

Seems like weird lines to draw.

I'll just pop in and give you an explanation for the word choice here:
Yes DAC was Valve sponsored, but it wasn't a part of the TI season if that makes sense? I could have written "first team to win two majors" but then it wouldn't be as clear that this also includes past TI's.

Not gonna say what's right and what's not, but that's why I worded it the way it did.
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ncsix
Profile Joined February 2012
1370 Posts
June 12 2016 20:06 GMT
#27
Props to OG. They clearly played the better game. Kuro on enchant n jerax on disruptor were sniped too many times by OG. That failed batrider first blood on moon.. i dont even.. gg
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-12 20:21:45
June 12 2016 20:20 GMT
#28
On June 13 2016 04:50 Julmust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 04:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On June 13 2016 04:07 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On June 13 2016 03:48 WolfintheSheep wrote:
they also become the first team to have won two official Valve tournaments


Wasn't DAC a Valve tournament? Feels weird that it isn't, considering it got a official site Compendium.


It seems the official line is going to be that it was a "Valve-sponsored" event, not a "Valve-run" event. So "Valve Event" stats won't include it. So DAC functionally ends up being the Proto-Major.

In that case, wouldn't Frankfurt and Shanghai not count as well?

Seems like weird lines to draw.

I'll just pop in and give you an explanation for the word choice here:
Yes DAC was Valve sponsored, but it wasn't a part of the TI season if that makes sense? I could have written "first team to win two majors" but then it wouldn't be as clear that this also includes past TI's.

Not gonna say what's right and what's not, but that's why I worded it the way it did.

Get the sentiment and the point, and winning two majors is definitely noteworthy, considering how few repeat winners there are in these $1million+ tournaments.

Just feels like a lot of stretching done to exclude DAC just to get that "first" claim in.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
June 12 2016 20:34 GMT
#29
DAC wasn't a part of TI or the majors, which are what people consider valve tournaments.

DAC was a perfect world tournament sponsored by valve.
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celguek
Profile Joined August 2015
2 Posts
June 12 2016 21:22 GMT
#30
After watching group stages, the finals are mixed of NB, OG, TL, and LGD.

Hope Agressif and Maybe step up their game (I'm sure they are gonna do it, they have xiao8).

TI6 HYPE!!!!! Some teams hungry their revenge to be fulfilled, DOTA will be more interesting.
Keardan
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands527 Posts
June 12 2016 21:30 GMT
#31
Small typo: the text on the homepage says "After getting knocked down by in the groups OG has just become better with every game", missing "Newbee" there.
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Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
June 12 2016 22:11 GMT
#32
On June 13 2016 06:30 Keardan wrote:
Small typo: the text on the homepage says "After getting knocked down by in the groups OG has just become better with every game", missing "Newbee" there.

Thanks, the text becomes too long for the standard res if you add newbee, so I simply removed the "by". Fixed now
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Skank
Profile Joined October 2010
United States329 Posts
June 12 2016 22:22 GMT
#33
Amazing games. OG is no longer a one trick Pony. I love how much notail has matured, as well as Moon, giving OG three relevant cores. It's not Miracle plus four.
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
June 12 2016 23:34 GMT
#34
I never stopped being an OG fan
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jinfreaks
Profile Joined July 2010
United States94 Posts
June 13 2016 01:25 GMT
#35
On June 13 2016 01:16 Dysisa wrote:
I don't get this talk of OG somehow having been in a "slump" until now. Sure they didn't play as good as at Frankfurt or Manila in most of the months in-between, but they sure as hell were never bad. Aside from arguably Shanghai and DotaPit (a single elim tourney, where they went out to MVP when they were probably at their very best), they've had nothing but respectable finishes. What Secret is going through right now, THAT'S a slump.

Still though that's a very minor thing in this whole writeup, you did a great job with it overall!


I agree, I don't think OG was in a slump following Frankfurt major. It was more that after teams found out that they were good following frankfurt, that OG got a target on their back and had a hard time adjusting to it (as is true with almost every team that bursts into stardom)
Evander Berry Wall
Profile Joined June 2014
United States1137 Posts
June 13 2016 02:02 GMT
#36
ESL is coming right up. So we'll get an immediate look into OG's consistency.
jinfreaks
Profile Joined July 2010
United States94 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-13 02:45:05
June 13 2016 02:43 GMT
#37
there is a factual error. OG is the second team to win two valve events

the first team to win two valve events is acutally EG. Having won last years DAC in shanghai and TI5. It could be said that EG is the only team to consecutively win back to back Valve events.

edit: after reading comments, I guess its fine the way its worded...
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
June 13 2016 05:20 GMT
#38
OG was the most impressive team by far.

Maybe, however, was the most impressive player to me. I always knew he was good - hell he was one of the best before this tournament. But this tournament solidified my appreciation of his skill as above others (with the exception of a peak CTY, peak 430 and peak Arteezy). Just my opinion of course.

Also my MVP of the finals is tied between Notail, Crit, and Fly. I gave Notail too little respect. Thought Matumba would always outplay and outfarm him but in positional fights, Notail almost always got the better of him.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-13 17:43:53
June 13 2016 17:42 GMT
#39
Done with my travel, and as I said before, I will see how I did...

http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/509142-manila


First, it will be even between the different regions' teams. Different from the results of Shanghai, most of the Chinese teams will make it to the top group. So will the Koreans. However, they will still have a difficult time with the best European teams in the tournament, who are still the region to take down. It will be close games between all but a few teams, so top teams going out early will happen, and the groups are going to see a lot of lelz, but because the tournament is so long, being able to change will be the most important and only the smart teams will be able to do it.


This call was right.


Second, among the European and American teams, American teams are almost certainly going to be the worst of the two. I do not see a sudden rise in American skill come Manila; they will be around the middle of teams. Russia may see one or two of their teams do well, but they won't win. For Southeast Asia, Koreans will end way above Fnatic, as they have in previous big tournaments, and might even win, though that'll be up to whether they have new strategies and heroes to bring in.


Europeans > Americans did happen, but Eastern European teams did not do as well as I thought they would before going out, and while MVP did last longer than Fnatic, they didn't place way above. Fnatic doing about as well as MVP was the surprise for me.


For China, people will look to Xiao8's team and Newbee but I don't think they have the best pick and strategy, so unless their new teams do well, China won't win, and in my opinion, VGR is in fact their hope, but their results will be completely on their middle player's ability to play well in his first international tournament, and you can't say he will. For the West, it's never easy to see which team will suddenly step up, but I think the two best teams going in are obvious to those who have seen the recent tournament.


As I said, Newbee and Xiao8's team won't win, so unless the new Chinese teams could bring it - and they didn't - there won't be a China win. The old Chinese teams are too easy to prepare for because they always play the same way.


It will be one of the best tournaments. Unlike Shanghai, the best Western teams are not way ahead of other regions' teams in skill, though they still do have the advantage in strategy, since the best Western teams have more heroes they can play than teams in other regions. The player changes started by Secret is the reason why the West is no longer obviously the best - it brought an end to a year when PPD's team and Puppey's team were the best teams in the West. Now both teams are not at their best going into the tournament. People will blame Arteezy, but the fault is equally Puppey's and EternalEnvy's. Still, because the West has so many top teams, it's still not too bad..


This was, I think, obvious - the big difference between this year and the last was the fall of these two teams, and the rise of two different Western teams to take their place.

All in all, I'd say it was a solid Azarkon tournament.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
June 13 2016 22:30 GMT
#40
One of the best tournaments I've ever followed. The crowd, the production team, they games are all top notch.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
June 14 2016 08:44 GMT
#41
As a longtime hon player, I knew it was only a matter of time until notail and moon kicked in, still haven't yet but they're getting there.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
June 14 2016 09:43 GMT
#42
A-GOD has spoken

where are the haters
Rillanon.au
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
June 14 2016 18:29 GMT
#43
right here. wtf?
"they'll do well but not win"?
what does that even mean LOL, a bunch of false positives and general statements chained together to say west > east, with a chance of a chinese team winning (which has been happening lately, surprise).

you could just look at liquid's epicenter win (over a CN team no less) and say, wow they're one of the strongest teams right now
well no shit!

you didn't even attempt to predict a team that would win.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Skank
Profile Joined October 2010
United States329 Posts
June 14 2016 20:35 GMT
#44
"You're not wrong [Azarkon], you're just an asshole."
"To be honest, to play protoss is ridiculously simple" -NesTea
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-15 00:57:04
June 15 2016 00:56 GMT
#45
"China won't win unless one of the new Chinese teams win."

Do you play oracle?
Yhamm is the god of predictions
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