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Shanghai Previews - CDEC

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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-03 01:33:09
February 20 2016 13:54 GMT
#1
IntroductionGameplayPlayersHow to Beat

CDECGaming

It’s been over a half-year since CDEC burst onto the international scene and took second place at The International 5. Unfortunately time has not been kind to CDEC, teams now know the way CDEC likes to play and they, in turn, have not received the friendliest patches from Icefrog. While some teams have been rejuvenated by 6.86c, CDEC is one that has had mediocrity loom over their heads.

At World Cyber Arena 2015, CDEC was knocked out 1-2 against the eventual tournament winners, Alliance. Though it’s no shame to lose to the tournament winners, CDEC looked lackluster in the group stages against Filipino teams and the ailing Invictus Gaming and barely pulled to the first position of their group. CDEC also bombed out of the Mars Dota League Chinese Qualifier, casting a lot of shade on their current form as perhaps the worst roster under the name of CDEC. Contrast these to their fifth/sixth place at Frankfurt in which they were not one of the strongest teams at the event, but were at very least quite close to being one.

Not all news is so bad for CDEC; one facet being that they have played very few games since WCA and another being that the team easily won ECL 2015 Autumn, a league for the non-premier Chinese teams. But instead of those local teams, they will be facing the world’s best at The Shanghai Major and to fare well they must figure out how to make their current strengths even stronger in this patch, or else we might be bidding farewell to the current CDEC roster.

Gameplay

During most of 2015, CDEC was known for their clean cut aggression and understanding of heroes that put pressure on the enemy as well as gave trouble to splitpushers. As one of the teams that epitomized 6.84 and 6.85’s style, they preferred to play five man snowball lineups in order to capitalize on the heroes they played to take advantageous teamfights and objectives.

By now many of CDEC’s mainstay heroes have been nerfed and CDEC has had to draw up new strategies in 6.86c. Winter Wyvern, Tusk, Gyrocopter, and Queen of Pain have not fared well in the current meta and CDEC members have turned to other heroes to retain some of the same style, but with Agressif having a more varied and harder type of carry pool. In other words, CDEC has shifted their style to be a 4 protect 1, a bit like LGD’s current style now with Sylar.

Unfortunately, CDEC’s hero pool has not greatly adapted to the meta. They have trouble playing with or against a number of key heroes of the meta (or are untested), crippling the team all too much. Some of these heroes include Invoker and Lone Druid and to a lesser extent Chen, Terrorblade, Morphling, and Spectre, as well as others, but it’s difficult to judge due to the limited number of games they’ve played since WCA.
PlayerK/D/ATeam GoldMost Played
Agressif4.0/3.6/8.728%
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Garder3.0/3.2/9.714%
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Q2.8/4.0/9.014%
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ShiKi5.6/3.0/7.324%
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xZ2.8/3.9/9.720%
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Agressif has been expanding his hero pool with limited success, though some of the poor performances can be attributed to CDEC’s ongoing slump. Along with his standard pool of Gyrocopter, Juggernaut, and Ember, Agressif has experimented with illusion heroes like Terrorblade and Morphling. It’s difficult to say what other heroes that CDEC would draft for him, but poor performances from Agressif himself are uncommon.
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ShiKi is one of the players that has had to reinvent himself at the midlane due to his limited hero pool, much like Evil Geniuses’ Sumail, except that ShiKi has had much poorer performances. CDEC has been drafting him tanky heroes more often such as Dragon Knight and Viper on top of his current pool of Lina, Templar Assassin. Shiki thus far has had little or no success with Invoker, Razor, and Outworld Devourer, a bad sign for CDEC’s future success in 6.86c given how important Shiki is in CDEC’s expected snowball gameplans.
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Xz’s playstyle of playing generously for his team is a reflection of his hero pool and CDEC’s playstyle, much like LGD’s Rotk. He often plays utility heroes that help disable the other team for ganks and teamfights, such as Dark Seer, Batrider, and previously Tusk. When he does play Nature’s Prophet and Broodmother, he does it to control the map and set up ganks for his team rather than to splitpush. While this can work often, spectators have also seen that playing greedily can work even better this patch.
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Garder is perhaps one of the bright spots of CDEC lately because he plays one of the gold nuggets of the patch, the “hero” named Earth Spirit. But otherwise, his hero pool is a mixed bag. Spirit Breaker had success early on in the patch, but after a few losses has disappeared from recent games. Other common heroes are Tusk and Undying, also his old bread and butter from previous patches. All of these heroes love early and midgame aggression, unsurprising considering CDEC’s style.
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In the past as captain of CDEC, Q often played heroes that enabled his team to be aggressive and put pressure on the enemy team, such as Silencer or Skywrath Mage But this patch, his go-to hero Winter Wyvern has changed and he has had to try a number of different selections in his games. He has played a plethora of heroes this version but the only one stands out with any reasonable is Visage.

How to Beat - CDEC

CDEC’s struggles with their weaknesses have been documented greatly in their recent games.

Their first weakness is their limited hero pool. As stated earlier, they have been shown to be weak on many important heroes of this patch like Invoker and Chen. This weakness can be used to exploit CDEC’s bans and picks, forcing them to ban heroes they cannot play, pick heroes they cannot play, and heroes that can be countered through the draft. Ultimately, CDEC’s weakness in their draft will be utterly crippling for them as they inevitably need to face teams that are fluent in the current meta.

CDEC’s second weakness is that the team’s style of play focuses on the midgame and snowballing off of it. With this knowledge in mind, opposing teams can know what CDEC will draft and how they will use it, and then make adjustments to their game. For example, if CDEC draft Nature’s Prophet, the other team will know that CDEC do not really like using Prophet to split push all game with Aghanims and Octarine, but rather contribute to ganks and fights with Drums and a Necronomicon. If CDEC’s snowball is prevented and the opposing team has better lategame and splitpush, CDEC has been shown to have a hard time dealing with them.

Writer: rabidch
Editor: Heyoka, tehh4ck3r, Julmust
Graphics: Nixer
Images: Liquipedia, games.sina.com.cn
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1137 Posts
February 20 2016 14:51 GMT
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AT.Epiphany
Profile Joined February 2015
India117 Posts
February 20 2016 17:15 GMT
#3
This piece is overly speculative and negative.

One of the major issues I have with this is that it's well known CDEC put in big efforts before the big tournaments and barely play outside of those. I am not surprised CDEC was underwhelming for a while, but I'd be flabbergasted if they haven't put in a lot of work in their bootcamps and developed some sort of plans that don't involve rolling over and dying because only 10 heroes are viable and they can't play any of those, as this article seems to suggest.

Tournaments like a major define the meta rather the prevailing meta going in constricting what a team can do in a given patch. Given that CDEC has finished 2nd and 6th in the last two major events it's played, I'd say that they have proven they can perform in big games, and that counts more than shaky performances in low-stakes games on a small sample size.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
February 20 2016 17:48 GMT
#4
On February 21 2016 02:15 AT.Epiphany wrote:
This piece is overly speculative and negative.

One of the major issues I have with this is that it's well known CDEC put in big efforts before the big tournaments and barely play outside of those. I am not surprised CDEC was underwhelming for a while, but I'd be flabbergasted if they haven't put in a lot of work in their bootcamps and developed some sort of plans that don't involve rolling over and dying because only 10 heroes are viable and they can't play any of those, as this article seems to suggest.

Tournaments like a major define the meta rather the prevailing meta going in constricting what a team can do in a given patch. Given that CDEC has finished 2nd and 6th in the last two major events it's played, I'd say that they have proven they can perform in big games, and that counts more than shaky performances in low-stakes games on a small sample size.

but the evidence is completely contrary to what you say: prior to cdec's TI and major results they had very strong performances and very good games against the best competition in the world, even if they didnt make it far. i have watched all of their recent games and i have concluded that they dont play as well as other teams do in 6.86. and playing well a long time ago has no bearing on results now if they dont play well now.

while cdec is probably not going to be among the worst teams at shanghai, i dont think they will finish top 6 or even top 8 without some fortunate bracket luck (which they have already received a little bit of, placing in group A)
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
February 20 2016 19:28 GMT
#5
"Back on the horse" should really have been reserved for a Liquid preview. I mean, I know only the invites are being covered in this series, but c'mon! It's too perfect.

I'm on the same boat as rabidch. If CDEC perform well, it's going to be a pleasant surprise, not a fulfillment of expectation.
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Keardan
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands527 Posts
February 20 2016 23:11 GMT
#6
The article preview on the home page unfortunately lacks a link to CDEC's Liquipedia page.

Thanks for another cool preview, looking forward to Vici's piece
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 20 2016 23:47 GMT
#7
Mediocrity is a fairly accurate term, but so is consistency.

Every single LAN they been to (which is almost every LAN), they've finished in the top 6, whether it's a 8 team Chinese only tournament or an international 16 team Premier or Major.

I definitely wouldn't consider them to take the tournament, but they are a solid gatekeeper team.
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yookstah
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia655 Posts
February 21 2016 01:54 GMT
#8
The "hero" named Earth Spirit.

That cracked me up. Good read!
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