Dota 2 Reborn [Source 2]

On June 13 2015 09:41 crusad3r wrote:
This looks amazing. hopefully the requirements wont jump too hard, so i can still run dota2 with my russian pc.

On June 13 2015 09:50 FHDH wrote:
Guys: VERY IMPORTANT. They stopped listing Necrophos as a support.

On June 13 2015 09:40 TheEmulator wrote:
A lot of this looks really sick but some of the updates seem so pointless and dumb. Like Hero MMR? lol

On June 13 2015 10:30 paper wrote:


emu's non-TA mmr bout to get called out

On June 13 2015 10:41 trinxified wrote:
so wait this is just UI improvements, but the game itself and/or graphics isn't touched right?

On June 13 2015 10:30 paper wrote:


emu's non-TA mmr bout to get called out

On June 13 2015 10:41 Lackbleeder wrote:
Supposedly it'll run smoother on worse PC's

On June 13 2015 09:40 TheEmulator wrote:
A lot of this looks really sick but some of the updates seem so pointless and dumb. Like Hero MMR? lol

On June 13 2015 10:55 Kupon3ss wrote:
Lets hope ti5 won't be as epically bug driven as ti1

On June 13 2015 10:54 Reson wrote:


Hero MMR is actually pretty significant. A player playing his/her best hero may have 1000MMR point difference in their ability to play the hero compared to their worst hero. Using this in tandem with the overall MMR of a player should only make the MMR adjustments more precise.


Are ban lists incoming for private lobby games?

On June 13 2015 11:23 eieio wrote:
Are they actually using hero MMR for matchmaking? I'm not clear on that from what they showed.

Could just be an interesting value that they give you

On June 13 2015 11:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
If Blizzard put 1/10 the effort into SC2 that Valve puts into Dota 2, I'd be ecstatic. Congrats guys, it looks amazing. I'm super jealous.

On June 13 2015 11:23 eieio wrote:
Are they actually using hero MMR for matchmaking? I'm not clear on that from what they showed.

Could just be an interesting value that they give you

On June 13 2015 11:53 Lackbleeder wrote:
What if next week they announce paid custom maps ?

On June 13 2015 12:00 Comeh wrote:

To be honest, theres very little chance there isn't SOME sort of monetizing method for custom maps. No idea how valve will do so though.

On June 13 2015 12:03 Kuroeeah wrote:

i'm pretty sure the amount of backlash they'll receive about an announcement on how authors will be able to monetize custom map will be enough to stop the hype train they seem to have going lol

On June 13 2015 12:07 Aceace wrote:
Everything except chat looks GREAT!!!!!

But new chat feels odd. I mean chat rooms are flooded with spammers atm. But new chat system seems like Bnet. 0.2. What if we gonna feel alone like diablo and old sc2???

On June 13 2015 12:00 Comeh wrote:

To be honest, theres very little chance there isn't SOME sort of monetizing method for custom maps. No idea how valve will do so though.

So source 2 is unlikely to change dota 2 gameplay itself?

On June 13 2015 13:35 AndyJay wrote:


Correct. Also the sun is hot.

On June 13 2015 13:53 Dysisa wrote:
Considering how it's apparently split into 3 parts, and we aren't getting the next bit of info until next week, I'm guessing we'd be lucky to see this stuff come out 2 weeks from now at the absolute earliest? Whatever the case, I love the sounds of all this so far, really excited.

does the hud(including the bottom) change in game? what about the workshop huds we have what happens to them if the layout changes?

On June 13 2015 14:24 AndyJay wrote:


No change.

Additionally, our focus has been on the dashboard so you’ll find the in-game HUD currently looks the same.

On June 13 2015 14:30 Kuroeeah wrote:

I think there might be.



Why else would they mention their ingame HUD if they had no plans on changing it?

On June 13 2015 14:36 Valhalla44 wrote:


So You'll find the in-game HUD currently looks the same.
LeL.

On June 13 2015 13:17 haduken wrote:
source is a game engine, basically a set of tools and core coding libraries that people use to write games because reinventing the same thing over and over is bad.

source 2 is a new game engine, revised, redeveloped blah blah blah basically it's source but it's better. so we can do stuff in game and game clients that we can't do before, some of the bugs and weird stuff in the old engine would be fixed in the new engine blah blah blah.

you get the idea... volvo is re-releasing the game that is rewrote using a new game engine, it will break some stuff, introduce some awesome shit, probably break some other stuff...

On June 13 2015 15:02 Vertical wrote:

I still don't get the hype
Beside new UI and custom maps and "I don't know what so good about it" chat
Basically we're still in the same game
Those candies will be interesting for a 2 weeks
Then we gonna essentially still play for the game
Ok except the custom map

Enlighten me please

On June 13 2015 15:02 Vertical wrote:

I still don't get the hype
Beside new UI and custom maps and "I don't know what so good about it" chat
Basically we're still in the same game
Those candies will be interesting for a 2 weeks
Then we gonna essentially still play for the game
Ok except the custom map

Enlighten me please

On June 13 2015 15:02 Vertical wrote:

I still don't get the hype
Beside new UI and custom maps and "I don't know what so good about it" chat
Basically we're still in the same game
Those candies will be interesting for a 2 weeks
Then we gonna essentially still play for the game
Ok except the custom map

Enlighten me please

On June 13 2015 09:40 TheEmulator wrote:
A lot of this looks really sick but some of the updates seem so pointless and dumb. Like Hero MMR? lol

On June 13 2015 16:05 starslayer wrote:
holy shit wow this looks amazing! never playing sc2 again after seeing this. Ive given blizzard 4 years to step there game up and they have not even come close and valve just keeps amazing me more each day. Im not trying to bash sc2 and bliz and start a which game is better but ive spent so much time on sc2 and its just shit compared to dota now I mean LOTV is just a " new" hots, but revamping the layout and engine and other stuff makes dota like a new game. Just WOW again valve is incredible and they deserve all the money they get and more. JUST WOW! cant wait.

On June 13 2015 17:43 Noorgrin wrote:
will there be a seperated test client for this? or will they implement it into the main client?

On June 13 2015 12:00 Comeh wrote:

To be honest, theres very little chance there isn't SOME sort of monetizing method for custom maps. No idea how valve will do so though.

On June 13 2015 18:26 FrostNixon wrote:
Don't care how it looks, care how it runs. If it is slower then noty.

On June 13 2015 18:43 ahswtini wrote:

all indications are it will run faster and smoother than current client

On June 13 2015 19:28 FinestHour wrote:
meanwhile in pro superior moba games 20 minutes 1 kill #justsuperiorthings #clarity #counterplayingeachother

On June 13 2015 19:52 Corgi wrote:
The real question is will the armory/inventory/trading/gifting be redone?

On June 13 2015 23:31 Vertical wrote:
I really don't get the overreaction hype
As if we're getting new game and lame blizzard etc
This is essentially just a new UI
In 2 weeks this is gonna be forgotten

Of course custom map will be exiting
But in the end we come for dota

I only care for the hero MMR
because i believe i supposed to be at the higher mmr than i am now :p

On June 13 2015 23:31 Vertical wrote:
I really don't get the overreaction hype
As if we're getting new game and lame blizzard etc
This is essentially just a new UI
In 2 weeks this is gonna be forgotten

the general consensus is that requirements will go down as the engine is more optimised and uses cpu more efficiently. it also balances the load onto video cards more (source 1 is heavily cpu dependant)

On June 13 2015 23:48 retr0x wrote:

This is until you realize how much time you spend in the client *not* playing : checking out the store, checking out your inventory, inviting/chatting with friends, waiting looking for a game, checking out live games to watch, checking out your profile/match history... The list goes on.

The client UI is an important part of the Dota experience. Having a more welcoming and more appealing UI means more time spent in the game doing useful things (as in, bringing value to the player), and it means more newcomers attracted to the game (man, I still remember when I launched the game for the first time 2 years ago, right before TI3, I thought "wtf is this mess? HTML content here, half-assed social features there, big dumb buttons and tabs everywhere). I think it deserves all the hype it's getting.

On June 14 2015 00:09 ilsamsamchil wrote:
Maybe this will also get rid of all the bugs like minimap revealing location of heroes/creeps for a split second, or certain effects showing up through fog etc. like hearing TP or QOP blinks even though you arent supposed to hear anything.

I can't really respect Dota as a real game with bugs like these TBH. I mean even Warcraft 2 had the concept of fog of wars on the lock down nearly 2 decades ago and these people are running multi-million tournaments with the inferior RTS base compared to Warcraft 3. =\ I realllllllllllly hope the source 2 means this will be handled (and not just new shiny things that I will forget about a week later)



meanwhile yay for my underutilized 7870.

On June 13 2015 23:31 Vertical wrote:
I really don't get the overreaction hype
As if we're getting new game and lame blizzard etc
This is essentially just a new UI
In 2 weeks this is gonna be forgotten

Of course custom map will be exiting
But in the end we come for dota

I only care for the hero MMR
because i believe i supposed to be at the higher mmr than i am now :p

On June 13 2015 23:31 Vertical wrote:
I really don't get the overreaction hype
As if we're getting new game and lame blizzard etc
This is essentially just a new UI
In 2 weeks this is gonna be forgotten

Of course custom map will be exiting
But in the end we come for dota

I only care for the hero MMR
because i believe i supposed to be at the higher mmr than i am now :p

On June 14 2015 00:21 Vertical wrote:
Oh and yeah the dota tv is good update
I don't buy ticket to watch game, and I prefer watching in twitch to see the action in the stage
So... Yeah...

On June 14 2015 06:11 Laserist wrote:
Will it work with HTC/Valve display thingy?

On June 13 2015 23:31 Vertical wrote:
I really don't get the overreaction hype
As if we're getting new game and lame blizzard etc
This is essentially just a new UI
In 2 weeks this is gonna be forgotten

Of course custom map will be exiting
But in the end we come for dota

I only care for the hero MMR
because i believe i supposed to be at the higher mmr than i am now :p

On June 14 2015 01:49 Yergidy wrote:

How many times are you going to say the same fucking thing dude?

On June 14 2015 03:23 hfglgg wrote:
i think this patch is the most important one and the least hypeworthy one at the same time, if that makes any sense.
it has all the tools to change dota as we know it with custom games, more community building and better dotatv but at the same time, when the patch hits nothing will change for the players for the first few weeks or even months. the UI looks better and has a few convenience options but thats about it.

so on one hand i am really looking forward to what dota is in 12 months time, but on the other hand i couldnt care less wether the patch comes this week or in 3 months.

On June 14 2015 12:30 FHDH wrote:
"I don't care that much about any of the things shown in this update so far" --> "this update isn't that exciting"

Obviously subjective.

On June 14 2015 17:12 zeo wrote:
Does anyone know how difficult it will be to build a custom map in dota2? Any info?

On June 14 2015 19:35 BurningSera wrote:
but it turned out to be like something like moving/expanding the game to a bigger/improved platform to accommodate better development in future (epsecially for custom game)?

On June 14 2015 10:50 Vertical wrote:

The first one i post only after seing the 1st page of this thread
This new one I post after I actually went to dota 2 site
Hoping I get the hype, or anyone could elaborate


But of course, everyone needs to be sarcastic and rude in respond anything that contrary to their opinion

Look at andy jay comment above this post
Exactly what I mean
Game experience is the most important
I am hype if we get Zet and Pit Lord though
That will move to heroes that we never seen before

Exactly my point
This is a very important and great update
But not really that hype worthy
This will still be the same dota through and through
I personally gonna spend 90% of my time in game

On June 14 2015 19:35 BurningSera wrote:
i am confused too because they told the workshop artists to stop making cosmetics/custom game so i thought source2 is about a fundamental update/revamp of the codes/ingame models or something, but it turned out to be like something like moving/expanding the game to a bigger/improved platform to accommodate better development in future (epsecially for custom game)?

In that case it should have been called source 1.5? Because everything i will get it is essential the same thing/what i expected since 2011. Anyway if the game is more optimized/polished after this then I am happy, more so if we can finally get the custom games going haha

On June 14 2015 23:19 Random() wrote:


Source 2 is a massive engine update, but the actual game will of course stay the same. You wouldn't expect them to re-write all that weird Dota 2 gameplay code that they've spend the last three years fixing.

For example, Source 2 will have a new modern rendering subsystem. If I am not mistaken, Source 1 still runs on DirectX 9, which is very inefficient in terms of CPU use and handling heavily multi-threaded games (which all games try to be now since the CPUs are improving more in terms of core count rather than the individual core performance). Source 2 will support the new cool APIs such as DirectX 12 (only on Windows 10 though) and Vulkan (whenever the GPU drivers will start supporting it) which will result in a massive win for older CPUs or multi-core CPUs with worse single-core performance. Meaning it'll run way better on shitty laptops, but not too different on high end PCs.

All game assets (models, textures, animations) will stay the same, however I'd imagine that the lighting/shading model in the new engine is very different, which is why all current assets will very likely have to be converted in order to be usable in the new engine and look the same as they do now. This conversion process is probably automated, but still has to be done at some point. This is probably the reason why they've asked artists to stop producing new art based on the old lighting model until they've published the new lighting/texturing guides.

On June 14 2015 23:36 BurningSera wrote:
now that makes more sense lol. The advertisement page is misleading really, 'new engine' at the top and after i skim through the page i didnt see any fundamantal changes/literally a page of introducing new UI (which i couldn't care less). I know there will be part2+3 but thats all they told us in part1.

On June 15 2015 14:41 damnknife wrote:
I hope it'll be really smother. My pc is pretty garbage and i cant afford a new one for the next months.
Anyway i thought source 2 would just come out with HL3. HL3 confirmed?

On June 17 2015 06:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
knowing valve the build tool probably blows actually
but people will make it happen regardless :D

On June 17 2015 06:42 cecek wrote:

The developer tools have been out for quite a while now and apparently they're really good.

On June 17 2015 13:16 TheEmulator wrote:
Had a more thorough read through part 1 again. My first read through was just a quick glance at everything but I didn't really have time to soak it all in (busy, etc). Everything seems super cool, I'm actually fairly happy overall. I'm sure I will nitpick a lot of little things when it's released but I can't be mad at this

Also I like the avg MMR showing on live games.

edit: anyone understand how the open beta is supposed to work? Does everyone just go into it and the old version is RIP or will people still be playing on the source 1 version too.

On June 17 2015 13:16 TheEmulator wrote:
Also I like the avg MMR showing on live games.

On June 17 2015 13:29 Kuroeeah wrote:

source 1 is still the main version, source 2 is a test client. i'm assuming things like ranked mmr or cosmetics won't transfer over to the open beta.

On June 17 2015 14:59 AndyJay wrote:


I wonder if they'll ever just bite the bullet and show everyone's mmr/stats 24/7 like a normal competitive game. I would love to have divisions/rankings/leagues etc. I think profiles will never have much meaning except for showing how much you care about hats unless they do this.

Maybe playing ranked enables all the stats/division tracking stuff. If you want out, just don't play ranked.