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goody153
44277 Posts
Are intel processors still better than and processors nowadays ? (planning to buy a laptop and yes i thought about building a pc but i need something portable where i can both play and work .. actually work is negligible i work on a superold laptop and i dont have issues so just for games i guess) I have been comparing brands and stuff. I already have two temporary final choices both have similar other stuff(graphics card, ram, ssd etc) just the processors differ. Like Ryzen 5/7 vs i7/i5 thing | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On May 13 2020 10:14 goody153 wrote: Random question. Are intel processors still better than and processors nowadays ? (planning to buy a laptop and yes i thought about building a pc but i need something portable where i can both play and work .. actually work is negligible i work on a superold laptop and i dont have issues so just for games i guess) I have been comparing brands and stuff. I already have two temporary final choices both have similar other stuff(graphics card, ram, ssd etc) just the processors differ. Like Ryzen 5/7 vs i7/i5 thing Not really. Intel offers better single core performance, AMD is better for multi-core. AMD tends to be better for midrange budgets - their Ryzen x600 lines are much better than the equivalent intel offering. Ryzen wins pretty much hands-down in non-gaming areas price for price. As far as gaming goes - Basically, for older games and certain types of emulation Intel is still better, but the more threads the game uses the better Ryzen gets (so for ps3 and later systems Ryzen pulls ahead). Ryzen doesn't overclock as well but has a lower energy footprint. There's no longer a very big gap between them - Ryzen are probably 5-10% better at non-gaming tasks than their equivalently priced Intel, and their gaming performance will vary from game to game as to which is better, but it's no longer as large a difference. Basically if you see a great deal on an intel, it's still worth looking at, but I'd say AMD is actually a little ahead for consumer CPUs. Now, an AMD gfx card is still trash, though. (Ryzen has lower clock speeds but the newest ones are 7nm, while Intel is still stuck on their 14nm last I had heard, with a smattering of 10 nm, so each cycle of a ryzen can process more). | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On May 13 2020 10:14 goody153 wrote: Random question. Are intel processors still better than and processors nowadays ? (planning to buy a laptop and yes i thought about building a pc but i need something portable where i can both play and work .. actually work is negligible i work on a superold laptop and i dont have issues so just for games i guess) I have been comparing brands and stuff. I already have two temporary final choices both have similar other stuff(graphics card, ram, ssd etc) just the processors differ. Like Ryzen 5/7 vs i7/i5 thing asus g14 | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Performance is better, thermals are better, every consumption is better. Only gaming laptop drawback I can set currently is that iirc you can only get the best GPU with Intel? | ||
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
Guess it's waiting till the end of the year and re-evaluating my options on upgrading my CPU+MB+RAM combo. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
All I was looking for was a time frame on when I should make a decision. | ||
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PoulsenB
Poland7736 Posts
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
In case I decide to buy new hardware, I will look everything up in detail for as long as it takes to update my knowledge to make an informed decision. Other people are just interested in hardware as a hobby, work or simply buy things more often than me. Apart from buying some headphones, cables and getting a used GPU last year, I didn't buy any desktop/laptop hardware in ages. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On May 13 2020 18:30 PoulsenB wrote: How do you guys keep up with all this hardware info is beyond me scroll to the TL:DR or watch some tech youtubers conclusions. at the moment this is entirely sufficient. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
Used you are looking at nvidia likely, not sure how hard miners go on AMD these days. Mobile there's very few discrete AMD parts, out of current parts I only know of 5500xm which is like 1050ti ish performance wise. I think they are focusing on supplying APUs and console parts now. Intel is omega-boned. They have deals with most of the laptop makers so AMD options will be more limited like no models with high end gpus or thunderbolt and probably won't stay in stock for long for now due to high demand but the performance difference is real with the newest 4000 series. That's probably the biggest performance jump in the last decade. Intel has unlimited time and money but they are yet to release anything that's not a 2015 design with more power or higher momentary single core clock. leddit has lists of the new 4000 laptops, I think the 35w parts with hyperthreading look good on the value prospect On May 13 2020 17:04 Slomo wrote: Understanding AMDs Ryzen release cycle requires a separate PhD tho. I am more confused now than I was before looking it up. Guess it's waiting till the end of the year and re-evaluating my options on upgrading my CPU+MB+RAM combo. mobile x+1000 is desktop x000 design based, usually released six months to 9 months later pretty much all AM4 mobos and CPUs so far are compatible although some require bios update and some are just plain stupid the confusion is that the new desktop cpus won't be supported by <b550 mobos though they are backwards compatible the b550 was delayed probably because AMD was waiting to see if they can really cash in on the 4000 desktop parts and force mb upgrades on enthusiasts, there's no technical reason why a good number of the earlier mobos couldn't be updated honestly they probably need to force a mb upgrade for the mobo builders sake, to reduce guys like me waiting with my 4 year old mobo looking to upgrade to the last compatible CPU (now it just means I'm looking at the used market for the CPU lul) And it does have PCI-E 4, so they can kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind of justify it other bullshit: nanometers don't actually mean anything in an absolute sense, those usually refer to different manufacturing processes used by samsung and tsmc and global foundry and whoever else still makes chips in practice a lower nm means newer process and probably new design, newer design alone is usually referred to as + and the gains are lower but there can be new hardware changes for example separate piece of hardware for encoding different types of files AMD used 12nm for the 2000 series because parts of the processor were done with a newer process than the earlier version. And I think the performance gain was higher than a simple design change. Intel has been on the same process since 2015 and they only recently made orders to tsmc for 7nm chips so those will hopefully come out next year. They are on design 14nm+++++++ or something, basically a lot of fiddling with power and thermal limits as well as higher binning. Binning is selecting the highest x% of chips, clocking them tiny bit higher and selling them as a different product with 2x the price. That's why the performance gains design over design are in the 5% ballpark while overclockability of the chips has been going down. The new 7nm AMD chips are also hardly worth overclocking but I believe it's for the opposite reason, high yields and chiplet design with a really good boost technology. There is no standard for TDP or core turbo speed. A single core in your system can do 5.3Ghz for 1 second going from idle in perfect thermal conditions. Essentially you get to Pornhub 2 picoseconds earlier than the guy who spent 400$ less. source. me, a regular guy, not a sweaty nerd at all | ||
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goody153
44277 Posts
(Idk if I shouldve probably mentioned that i am not really planning to buy anything super highend nor do i have cpu intensive activities that i know of. Ram and gpu are far more important for my activities afaik so long as i have an ok processor should be good) Likely i will be buying some midrange gaming laptop. Somebody mentioned asus (one of my choices is actually one) but what about laptop brands ? One of my friends just told me to avoid acer(he told me he fixes more acer laptops than anythinh else). Another told me to avoid Dell tho i forgot the reason why | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
RTX 2060 is probably the sweetspot (there is 5600m from amd side never seen it though) 1660 and 1660 ti can also handle 1080p gaming just fine. Don't know about brands, they are all consistently inconsistent | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
1. 35+W CPU 2. Dedicated GPU 3. High refresh rate screen The g14 covers all of those with the 1660ti config at a mid range price. Any 45W intel CPU thats cheaper than that is gonna have compromises like being super thicc the new xps 15 that just got released today looks really nice but I think its 60hz only | ||
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PoulsenB
Poland7736 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Maverick_2009
Somewhere2002 Posts
On May 14 2020 06:42 Erasme wrote: so trump is in a meeting, noone got a mask on except the secretary of health of colorado l m a o are the confirmed infected staffers present too? i honestly feel like the past two weeks has just been watching trump have a complete meltdown and existential crisis | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32747 Posts
On May 14 2020 06:42 Erasme wrote: so trump is in a meeting, noone got a mask on except the secretary of health of colorado l m a o But dude look at how alpha he is, he isn't afraid of viruses like those libruls. On May 14 2020 12:06 Nevuk wrote: Us pol feedback thread is getting spicy. I saw that absolutely gigantic wall of a post by a certain user made today and knew I had to read this trainwreck from the start of the conversation. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On May 14 2020 12:06 Nevuk wrote: Us pol feedback thread is getting spicy. I stopped lurking US Pol half a year ago... Don't care to read discussion | ||
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