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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-29 21:41:19
September 29 2014 21:41 GMT
#2181
On September 30 2014 06:39 bo1b wrote:
I wonder if icefrog hasn't over nerfed the mechanic now, from being pretty ludicrous (it was, one teamfight equalling a major item for an underfarmed carry is a bit dumb) to barely different at all. Like what's even the point in keeping it in if its such a small change?

Basically nope its still kinda a big deal
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Narw
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland884 Posts
September 29 2014 21:48 GMT
#2182
Naga is my go to hero if i want to tryhard in pub solo queqe for this patch, losing t1's takes longer, is less impactfull and the exp if behing change lets you hit that lvl 16 so much faster if you accidently find yourself in teamfight. I think im getting addicted
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
September 29 2014 22:04 GMT
#2183
On September 30 2014 06:39 bo1b wrote:
I wonder if icefrog hasn't over nerfed the mechanic now, from being pretty ludicrous (it was, one teamfight equalling a major item for an underfarmed carry is a bit dumb) to barely different at all. Like what's even the point in keeping it in if its such a small change?


It's still significant, you get less gold if u're ahead and more if u're behind. XP is still much more compared to before, so the old "deathball and get towers and get behind on xp" is much less rewarding now.
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Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
September 29 2014 22:20 GMT
#2184
New PL is garbage. Someone told me to buy shadowblade on him, and I was like "not sure if srs".... now I'm wondering if he's on to something. Nonetheless, still garbage.
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
September 29 2014 22:25 GMT
#2185
On September 30 2014 07:20 Elurie wrote:
New PL is garbage. Someone told me to buy shadowblade on him, and I was like "not sure if srs".... now I'm wondering if he's on to something. Nonetheless, still garbage.


Pretty sure most of the people here will disagree
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
September 29 2014 22:26 GMT
#2186
>new pl
>GARBAGE

You're doing it wrong. That hero is broken and amazing

don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Narw
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland884 Posts
September 29 2014 22:28 GMT
#2187
Get drums/diffu, start wrecking ppl instead of farming creeps.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
September 29 2014 22:29 GMT
#2188
why even get drums. Just get treads diffu and go HAM
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
September 29 2014 22:41 GMT
#2189
Yeah if you think new PL is bad you're seriously playing him wrong (are you trying to afk farm and split push all day like old PL or something?)
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
September 29 2014 23:25 GMT
#2190
On September 30 2014 07:41 GentleDrill wrote:
Yeah if you think new PL is bad you're seriously playing him wrong (are you trying to afk farm and split push all day like old PL or something?)

Haha what split push? He can't do that anymore. It was probably the team comp, there's not much I could do against their DP-DK-Tiny-Enigma combo. Sky lost mid to DK, offlane Luna+support probably traded evenly with their safelane Tiny+support, my lane was easy against a solo DP because she was very passive in lane before 6. Things changed once Exorcism is online.

I would be more useful as a Rubick stealing Exorcism. Alas, it was a Single Draft game where my other options were Techies or Storm.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 30 2014 00:00 GMT
#2191
but stormspirit is the most fun hero in the game, how could you possibly pass that up
MyrMindservant
Profile Joined October 2013
695 Posts
September 30 2014 00:03 GMT
#2192
On September 29 2014 21:52 VieuxSinge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2014 15:17 BillGates wrote:
On September 29 2014 14:56 BobMcJohnson wrote:
6.82b:
http://store.steampowered.com/news/14529/

Further tweaks, nerfing the XP bonus.


According to my calculations done in a hurry the new gold change is actually worse.

In fact even at 10k hero net worth you get at minimum of 1258 gold, before the kill streak. So if he has a say 7 heroes kill strak you get over 1600 gold.

At 20k net worth(35 minute game) you gain at minimum 1858 gold, before the kill streak. On a 7 kills kill streak you will get over 2500 gold.

I'll try and do few example calculations in full and post them here so everyone can read it.


get some glasses or learn to do maths.
Or if you can't do maths, use this : http://www.mediafire.com/download/vh7aqyq99y39694/dota681b-682-682bcalculations2.xls
it will do the calculus for you.

To further complete your example, if the ennemy lvl 16 carry has 10k networth, his team has 25k networth, your team has 15k network ( a stomp in 6.81 dota2), by killing him you get:

1 Hero : 552 gold
2 Heroes : 526 gold/hero
3 Heroes : 433 gold/hero
4 Heroes : 340 gold/hero
5 Heroes : 274 gold/hero

to these numbers, the one who got the last hit gets an eventual kill streak gold bonus that can reach a maximum of 480gold.

Those numbers are way better than the previous ones (6.82) and seems reasonable. More testing/tuning needs to be done of course

You forgot about one thing. These formulas are only for assist/AoE gold:
"This change only affects the extra Gold given if within an area after a kill.
It does not affect the natural Gold received for killing a hero of a certain Level/Streak."
from http://www.dota2.com/rekindlingsoul/

So the one who got the last hit would also receive standard kill bounty:
200 + (Dying Hero's Level × 9)
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infiniteJest
Profile Joined December 2013
United States187 Posts
September 30 2014 00:36 GMT
#2193
I really like the new all pick draft, new rosh location, the runes always spawning top and bot and tp scroll costing less.
"If equal affections cannot be, let the more loving one be me."
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6229 Posts
September 30 2014 01:06 GMT
#2194
Can someone explain exactly how the new ranked ap thing works?

Yesterday my whole team waited like an 30 extra seconds before picking anything before I finally went ahead and did so, but when I got in I still had full gold. Shouldn't that have cost us something?
infiniteJest
Profile Joined December 2013
United States187 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-30 01:30:42
September 30 2014 01:30 GMT
#2195
On September 30 2014 10:06 Belisarius wrote:
Can someone explain exactly how the new ranked ap thing works?

Yesterday my whole team waited like an 30 extra seconds before picking anything before I finally went ahead and did so, but when I got in I still had full gold. Shouldn't that have cost us something?


"Picking starts after a 35 second strategy period.
Teams alternate picking. Whenever it is a team's turn to pick, anyone on that team can pick for themselves.
Teams have up to 30 seconds to pick a hero. If the timer expires, each player that hasn't selected a hero will lose 2 gold per second. The selection will stay on this team until a hero is picked.
Once a selection is made, it immediately switches to the other team to pick.

Additional Notes:
Initial starting team is random, but known at the start of the strategy period.
If a team has not picked and continued losing gold for more than 30 seconds, a player that hasn’t picked will be assigned a random hero and the turn will resume to the other team."
"If equal affections cannot be, let the more loving one be me."
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6229 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-30 01:53:19
September 30 2014 01:43 GMT
#2196
Thank you for copy pasting the patch notes. I can read.

You will note that I said I was on a team which allowed the pick timer to expire, yet i had full gold after picking. Therefore, my assumption is that there is something not explained in the patch notes.
infiniteJest
Profile Joined December 2013
United States187 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-30 02:09:35
September 30 2014 02:00 GMT
#2197
On September 30 2014 10:43 Belisarius wrote:
Thank you for copy pasting the patch notes. I can read.

You will note that I said I was on a team which allowed the pick timer to expire, yet i had full gold after picking. Therefore, my assumption is that there is something not explained in the patch notes.


I know that you can read. The issue is reading comprehension.
"If the timer expires, each player that hasn't selected a hero will lose 2 gold per second."

You had full gold because you picked a hero. The only person/people who lose gold are the people who do not pick before the time expires. So not the entire team loses gold, just the players who do not pick in time.
"If equal affections cannot be, let the more loving one be me."
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
September 30 2014 03:07 GMT
#2198
On September 30 2014 07:29 Shaella wrote:
why even get drums. Just get treads diffu and go HAM


new PL is a early-mid game monster but pretty shitty late game
start with stout->oov->treads->vanguard->diffu->diffu2->skadi and pwn everybody until the 40 minutes mark when their 4 core of AM, Sniper, Void and Kunka get their items and then there's literally nothing you can do to win (cant split push, cant man fight anymore)

so make sure you finish before 40 minutes
Put quote here for readability
caiovigg
Profile Joined July 2014
Brazil1802 Posts
September 30 2014 03:30 GMT
#2199
On September 30 2014 12:07 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 07:29 Shaella wrote:
why even get drums. Just get treads diffu and go HAM


new PL is a early-mid game monster but pretty shitty late game
start with stout->oov->treads->vanguard->diffu->diffu2->skadi and pwn everybody until the 40 minutes mark when their 4 core of AM, Sniper, Void and Kunka get their items and then there's literally nothing you can do to win (cant split push, cant man fight anymore)

so make sure you finish before 40 minutes


skadi and diffusal works togheter? o.O
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6229 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-30 03:44:27
September 30 2014 03:39 GMT
#2200
On September 30 2014 11:00 infiniteJest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 10:43 Belisarius wrote:
Thank you for copy pasting the patch notes. I can read.

You will note that I said I was on a team which allowed the pick timer to expire, yet i had full gold after picking. Therefore, my assumption is that there is something not explained in the patch notes.


I know that you can read. The issue is reading comprehension.
"If the timer expires, each player that hasn't selected a hero will lose 2 gold per second."

You had full gold because you picked a hero. The only person/people who lose gold are the people who do not pick before the time expires. So not the entire team loses gold, just the players who do not pick in time.


I picked a hero about 20 seconds into the expired timer. Since I was one of the players who "ha[d]n't selected a hero" at the time it expired, I expected to begin losing gold. I selected a hero some time afterwards. If doing so returned my money, that's useful information, but it's not in the notes.

At this point it's easier to just test next time I'm home.
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