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sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
September 30 2014 03:39 GMT
#2201
On September 30 2014 12:30 caiovigg wrote:
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On September 30 2014 12:07 sandyph wrote:
On September 30 2014 07:29 Shaella wrote:
why even get drums. Just get treads diffu and go HAM


new PL is a early-mid game monster but pretty shitty late game
start with stout->oov->treads->vanguard->diffu->diffu2->skadi and pwn everybody until the 40 minutes mark when their 4 core of AM, Sniper, Void and Kunka get their items and then there's literally nothing you can do to win (cant split push, cant man fight anymore)

so make sure you finish before 40 minutes


skadi and diffusal works togheter? o.O


heroes used pick up priority and illusion used slot priority for orb

so you will want to drop both, pick skadi and put it in slot2, pick diffusal and put it in slot 1
your hero will then have skadi orb and your illusion have diffusal orb
Put quote here for readability
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
September 30 2014 03:49 GMT
#2202
On September 30 2014 12:07 sandyph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 07:29 Shaella wrote:
why even get drums. Just get treads diffu and go HAM


new PL is a early-mid game monster but pretty shitty late game
start with stout->oov->treads->vanguard->diffu->diffu2->skadi and pwn everybody until the 40 minutes mark when their 4 core of AM, Sniper, Void and Kunka get their items and then there's literally nothing you can do to win (cant split push, cant man fight anymore)

so make sure you finish before 40 minutes

he's actually way better than old PL at lategame. But most people don't actually understand that new PL had a very precise power spike and was actually terrible at lategame (and even worse post illu damage nerf!) because he couldn't keep illusion generation up

New PL is far, far better lategame with proper itemization
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 30 2014 04:03 GMT
#2203
The only thing that can be said is that the new PL doesn't farm as explosively, so if you're going to rice a whole game, you'll take longer to max out. But with the strength of his new skills, he also doesn't NEED to play that way, so it's a moot comparison.
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sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
September 30 2014 04:29 GMT
#2204
you farm heroes after treads-vanguard to get your diffusal up quickly

but then again, so far this patch have been who have the most carries won for me, so even if you're dominating in mid-game, because the enemy have more carries then there not much you can do late game since you can no longer rat with this PL
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
September 30 2014 04:37 GMT
#2205
I actually dont' like this patch at all.

Just feels like every game comes down to 1/2 hardcarries high ground turtling "coming back" from behind in 60 minute shitshow games.
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r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
September 30 2014 04:56 GMT
#2206
On September 30 2014 13:37 Comeh wrote:
I actually dont' like this patch at all.

Just feels like every game comes down to 1/2 hardcarries high ground turtling "coming back" from behind in 60 minute shitshow games.


Im now a dirty a medusa/naga picker, its never been easier to win with these heroes
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4549 Posts
September 30 2014 06:17 GMT
#2207
On September 30 2014 13:56 r_con wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 13:37 Comeh wrote:
I actually dont' like this patch at all.

Just feels like every game comes down to 1/2 hardcarries high ground turtling "coming back" from behind in 60 minute shitshow games.


Im now a dirty a medusa/naga picker, its never been easier to win with these heroes


Medusa is ridiculously strong now. The extra 10% damage absorbed in mana shield and the new bounties for hero kills help s a lot.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
September 30 2014 07:52 GMT
#2208
On September 30 2014 13:37 Comeh wrote:
I actually dont' like this patch at all.

Just feels like every game comes down to 1/2 hardcarries high ground turtling "coming back" from behind in 60 minute shitshow games.


I believe it is toned down to a reasonable point where you can still maintain "ahead" advantage and other team can still comeback if they play good.

I believe the current problem is not the mechanic but the players. We need to learn how to play the game without bashing high ground rather patiently & methodically pile up the advantage by farm and break high ground with rosh+ significantly more items.

I know hard carries shine in that setting and some heroes are better base defenders than the others. This should be toned down in 6.83 since in this patch nearly all late game carries receive buffs(spec, medu etc.. )
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r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-30 08:33:03
September 30 2014 08:32 GMT
#2209
On September 30 2014 15:17 LennX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 13:56 r_con wrote:
On September 30 2014 13:37 Comeh wrote:
I actually dont' like this patch at all.

Just feels like every game comes down to 1/2 hardcarries high ground turtling "coming back" from behind in 60 minute shitshow games.


Im now a dirty a medusa/naga picker, its never been easier to win with these heroes


Medusa is ridiculously strong now. The extra 10% damage absorbed in mana shield and the new bounties for hero kills help s a lot.


Medusa once she gets 5, is basically a lane bully, and you cant trade with her in most cases if she manages mana shield toggles and making sure you always hit snake on both ranged creep and hero. Her skill build is also adaptable due to the change to split shot, so if you are left alone enough you can just get 2 points in split shot early to jungle faster. Hero is in a really good place now with strong laning decent mid game and amazing late game.
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RoyW
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Ireland270 Posts
September 30 2014 22:19 GMT
#2210
On September 30 2014 12:39 Belisarius wrote:
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On September 30 2014 11:00 infiniteJest wrote:
On September 30 2014 10:43 Belisarius wrote:
Thank you for copy pasting the patch notes. I can read.

You will note that I said I was on a team which allowed the pick timer to expire, yet i had full gold after picking. Therefore, my assumption is that there is something not explained in the patch notes.


I know that you can read. The issue is reading comprehension.
"If the timer expires, each player that hasn't selected a hero will lose 2 gold per second."

You had full gold because you picked a hero. The only person/people who lose gold are the people who do not pick before the time expires. So not the entire team loses gold, just the players who do not pick in time.


I picked a hero about 20 seconds into the expired timer. Since I was one of the players who "ha[d]n't selected a hero" at the time it expired, I expected to begin losing gold. I selected a hero some time afterwards. If doing so returned my money, that's useful information, but it's not in the notes.

At this point it's easier to just test next time I'm home.


Oh please tell us the results of the test. Hmmmmm, I wonder what it cold be, the patch notes are wrong or you're mistaken. Can't wait until that mystery is solved.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2550 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-30 22:44:04
September 30 2014 22:26 GMT
#2211
Holy shit, the snark. No need for that, dude.

On that subject, a glitch I'd noticed in the previous version of all pick is that if you picked a hero that was already selected by an ally or the opposing team, it would freeze your gold decrease, and you'd start with normal gold, even if you picked some amount of seconds after the game actually started.

So you'd have Shadow Fiend selected, and an enemy would pick shadow fiend. You could then hit the "select hero" button for shadow fiend, and the trigger for "Oh yeah he picked a hero, don't need to decrease his gold" would check, but since someone else had already picked SF, it wouldn't actually select your hero. You could then pick whatever available hero you wanted at any point, and not lose any more gold.

It's been a while since I did that, though, so I dunno.
sch0n
Profile Joined January 2012
Norway81 Posts
October 01 2014 04:59 GMT
#2212
Yes! Played a game yesterday in which we were heavily inferior teamfight-wise.

vs. Death Prophet/Tidehunter/Razor/Treant/Dazzle

But, we held on, chose fights, coordinated and it wasn't actually that hard. We manmoded them from like 20 minutes and even won the teamfights. Pretty cool!

They had one of our raxes down, so it's not like they didn't have a chance. Seems more even strategy-wise now, which is lovely. The downside for some people being longer games, but in my eyes it's perfect when the draft is not that important anymore.
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xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
October 01 2014 07:33 GMT
#2213
Found out yesterday crimson guard is great against mass summons play
Teradur
Profile Joined April 2010
97 Posts
October 01 2014 19:04 GMT
#2214
Void still free win, Tinker still able to one shot everything as it was, no idea what they were thinking with this patch.

Most annoying heroes are still as annoying as they were before.

Very disappointed with this patch.
SoylentGamer
Profile Joined August 2014
United States250 Posts
October 01 2014 19:09 GMT
#2215
On October 02 2014 04:04 Teradur wrote:
Void still free win, Tinker still able to one shot everything as it was, no idea what they were thinking with this patch.

Most annoying heroes are still as annoying as they were before.

Very disappointed with this patch.

Ethereal blade projectile is a direct nerf to tinker.
CK is the strongest hero in all of Dota 2, lore wise.
Teradur
Profile Joined April 2010
97 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-01 19:19:49
October 01 2014 19:19 GMT
#2216
I didnt say they were not nerfed. But not enough in my opinion. If a hero has been god tier for months and months, it needs to be nerfed to a point where no one picks it for a while, just because many people are so sick of them already. Would just be good for the game. Give other heroes a chance to shine. Nothing has really changed with these nerfs for normal games, they are still picked all over.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 01 2014 19:23 GMT
#2217
?
Void's merely solid now, tinker's literally unpickable in pro play and pretty questionable in pubs. DP definitely was stronger and got less nerfs than either of those 2 heroes.
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-01 19:30:56
October 01 2014 19:26 GMT
#2218
tinker isn't god tier imo

I don't really like the patch but this is coming from someone who enjoyed 6.81 a lot. I know the games were probably boring as shit to watch but I personally had a lot of fun in pubs even with the hero trends. I don't know.
SoylentGamer
Profile Joined August 2014
United States250 Posts
October 01 2014 19:29 GMT
#2219
On October 02 2014 04:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
?
Void's merely solid now, tinker's literally unpickable in pro play and pretty questionable in pubs. DP definitely was stronger and got less nerfs than either of those 2 heroes.

This is a good nerf imo, nerf so they are solid, not dead.
CK is the strongest hero in all of Dota 2, lore wise.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 01 2014 20:49 GMT
#2220
if tinkers able to one shot somebody and you cant punish him for it because hes sittting right htere in front of your face unetherealed you deserve to lose the game
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