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kw405
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)7 Posts
May 28 2014 04:49 GMT
#21
The whole "laughing stock of DotA scene" bit made me sad. I hope they improve fast and show why South Koreans are considered the motherland of eSports
Retvets
Profile Joined April 2013
1781 Posts
May 28 2014 05:28 GMT
#22
Hope MVP will grow the success of dota in korea
Tyrrhus
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands52 Posts
May 28 2014 06:04 GMT
#23
Great interview. After having lurked for years I kinda remember Heen funnily enough, nice to hear he's doing well.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
May 28 2014 07:20 GMT
#24
On May 28 2014 13:23 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 11:43 iNteLStyLe wrote:
Nice interview- However, I'm starting to wonder what Nexon and the Korean Dota community can do to advance it's popularity. Hopefully as the pro scene continues to strengthen, it will draw in a larger audience and then a larger player base (custom maps could help) but the lack of a grinding aspect compared to LoL seems to really not appeal to the Korean audience.


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On May 28 2014 12:11 Loomies wrote:
Interesting thoughts and how the lack of a "grinding" system makes the game not as popular in korea. I'm sure the map editor will be the trojan horse for DOTA 2 and how well its implemented. It's always good to see that there are hundreds of people in the "south korea' channel in dota 2 during prime time though.


I think he meant the opposite? like in League you get levels, you get runes and you can rank, which might be seen as grinding in the RPG sense. But in DotA, it's grinding for trivial items you don't need or want necessarily. Both can be grinding but I think Heen meant that LoL grinding had goals people wanted to get and added incentive to play.

Koreans like their grinding mmos, like Maplestory. The way you can grind to level 30 and unlock all the masteries, and also build full runebook pages gives you the sense that you've levelled up and spec'd out your account.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-28 08:46:31
May 28 2014 08:45 GMT
#25
that's a really nice interview.
very well and detailed answers. Heen seems to be a really nice guy to me.
Good luck to them in KDL an TI
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
May 28 2014 09:18 GMT
#26
He appears to be such a cool guy. I'll follow him more in future and it is good to know old geezers like me still can play good
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Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
May 28 2014 09:23 GMT
#27
He's older than old man Fear! Dayum.

I'm having a tough time deciding on who to root for in the play-ins. CIS or MVP is the question.
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mjxn
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia939 Posts
May 28 2014 10:19 GMT
#28
Too scared to play Diablo by himself, what a cutie.
lilopuppy
Profile Joined August 2012
Philippines542 Posts
May 28 2014 11:45 GMT
#29
He has a TL account? Is it Heen?
All the way to TI322!
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 28 2014 12:09 GMT
#30
On May 28 2014 20:45 lilopuppy wrote:
He has a TL account? Is it Heen?

he is good friends with waxangel, and has carried a fair amount of TL members in wc3 dota
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8854 Posts
May 28 2014 13:05 GMT
#31
heen god
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
May 28 2014 16:51 GMT
#32
On May 28 2014 20:45 lilopuppy wrote:
He has a TL account? Is it Heen?

yep! http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/profile.php?user=Heen is him.
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FrostNixon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria215 Posts
May 28 2014 16:53 GMT
#33
Now that's a pleasant to read interview, not often you see such long responses.
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Souone
Profile Joined July 2012
Brazil470 Posts
May 28 2014 17:00 GMT
#34
Why is he not a featured streamer though ?
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
May 28 2014 17:17 GMT
#35
Dunno! His stream is at 30 viewers right now, think that's a record
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
climax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1088 Posts
May 28 2014 17:21 GMT
#36
Korea is going to become a giant with MVP.P leading!

MVP HWAITING!
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Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3339 Posts
May 28 2014 18:17 GMT
#37
On May 28 2014 16:20 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 13:23 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On May 28 2014 11:43 iNteLStyLe wrote:
Nice interview- However, I'm starting to wonder what Nexon and the Korean Dota community can do to advance it's popularity. Hopefully as the pro scene continues to strengthen, it will draw in a larger audience and then a larger player base (custom maps could help) but the lack of a grinding aspect compared to LoL seems to really not appeal to the Korean audience.


On May 28 2014 12:11 Loomies wrote:
Interesting thoughts and how the lack of a "grinding" system makes the game not as popular in korea. I'm sure the map editor will be the trojan horse for DOTA 2 and how well its implemented. It's always good to see that there are hundreds of people in the "south korea' channel in dota 2 during prime time though.


I think he meant the opposite? like in League you get levels, you get runes and you can rank, which might be seen as grinding in the RPG sense. But in DotA, it's grinding for trivial items you don't need or want necessarily. Both can be grinding but I think Heen meant that LoL grinding had goals people wanted to get and added incentive to play.

Koreans like their grinding mmos, like Maplestory. The way you can grind to level 30 and unlock all the masteries, and also build full runebook pages gives you the sense that you've levelled up and spec'd out your account.

Lol I know. I'm Korean. I think grinding isn't the right word for mobas though. Just taking lol and Dota, I think what heen meant is that leveling up in league has more incentive than dota at this point. I guess both games are grinding (when we strictly look at the leveling up sense) and if taken pelt for grinding, lol has the better rpg-esque feel to it. But I don't like the grinding comparison cause I "grind" Dota games to open my presents
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
May 28 2014 19:05 GMT
#38
Grinding in League brings direct benefits - masteries & summoner skills to begin with, and after you hit level 30, you're still grinding IP for runes/champs

I saw a nice suggestion in reddit about having titles or badges for your profile. They took inspiration from gladiator titles in WoW.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
May 28 2014 19:30 GMT
#39
Don't the PC bangs in Korea already have fully unlocked league accounts (runes and heros), and most people play in PC bangs right? Then, do people use their personal account at PC bangs to grind there? The league grinding comment makes sense taken out of context of PC Bangs, but with the incentive to play in PC Bangs for that, does it even matter?
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BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
May 29 2014 00:10 GMT
#40
I saw 60+ viewers right after the TI SEA qualifiers.
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