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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
September 03 2014 15:33 GMT
#127201
i know we stopped discussing it many pages ago but vlads is by far best on pl even with a bad start cos you can farm jungle lane ancients so efficiently that it helps you catch up very quickly.
that might only be on radiant though i haven't seen pl played well on dire in ages
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
September 03 2014 15:34 GMT
#127202
Wait. Why are people complaining about tinker? He has a horrible professional and public win rate.

Sure win rates are not everything, but when tinker has one of the lowest professional win rates in 6.81 (17th lowest), heck Team Tinker barely picks Tinker nowadays.

Are we WoTC now? Nerfing alternative strategies because they are 'unfun' and 'non-interactive'?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 03 2014 15:37 GMT
#127203
Tinker is cancer in pubs dude.

Competitively nobody cares but in pubs dear god that hero

Please don't cite dotabuff winrates for that hero either, when 90% of games are played so deep in the trench you can't even find them, and by players who clearly can't press enough buttons to play wraith king much less tinker. His "most common" build on dotabuff is 4-4-0-0 like jesus fuck.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 15:38:33
September 03 2014 15:37 GMT
#127204
I think the discussion about nerfing blink moved into nerfing tinker with blink.

I think just a flat blink nerf would be fine and see how tinker does in the wild world of the new meta. I mean, if LC is added to captain's mode, she could make his life a living hell.

Also, I am with Snow-man, we can't cite games played by people who can't press buttons, which is critical for winning at dota.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 03 2014 15:38 GMT
#127205
hows lc supposed to be good vs tinker?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 15:41:21
September 03 2014 15:40 GMT
#127206
On September 04 2014 00:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
hows lc supposed to be good vs tinker?

Well duel is one of the longest forms of crowd control in the game. So unlike most stuns, he won't be able to zip away instantly after since the entire time he is being nailed with auto attacks, putting blink on cool down. It also has a really low cast point, so its harder for him to blink away from it than most other forms of CC that have a cast point and then travel time.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 03 2014 15:41 GMT
#127207
On September 04 2014 00:30 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 00:28 Acritter wrote:
On September 04 2014 00:21 Plansix wrote:
To be honest, I don't think limiting tinker through mana cost would have done anything. He gives no fucks about 75 mana.

I don't know what to do with tinker beyond change some of his abilities so they do different damage(aka, march to magic so BKB/pipe does something) and maybe nerf laser so people can auto attack him.

Rearm no longer works on Blink.

There ya go.

The sad part is blink would still be mandatory on tinker.

Yup. He'd just be really, really bad.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 03 2014 15:42 GMT
#127208
On September 03 2014 23:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 23:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Anyone heard of Aller V/S?

wat


Just wondering.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 03 2014 15:42 GMT
#127209
Utterly irrelevant points. Batrider is 99x better vs tinker. Maybe more. This isn't storm who "zips" away its a hero with blink dagger, an item which unlike all the heroes you hilariously wrongly describe as "0/low cast point" actually has 0 cast point. LC's grade A useless vs tinker.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 03 2014 15:43 GMT
#127210
On September 04 2014 00:34 LSB wrote:
Wait. Why are people complaining about tinker? He has a horrible professional and public win rate.

Sure win rates are not everything, but when tinker has one of the lowest professional win rates in 6.81 (17th lowest), heck Team Tinker barely picks Tinker nowadays.

Are we WoTC now? Nerfing alternative strategies because they are 'unfun' and 'non-interactive'?

This is like saying that Earth Spirit shouldn't have been nerfed because his his pub winrate was low.

Hint: it wasn't, not among players who knew what the fuck they were doing.
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 03 2014 15:44 GMT
#127211
On September 04 2014 00:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
Utterly irrelevant points. Batrider is 99x better vs tinker. Maybe more. This isn't storm who "zips" away its a hero with blink dagger, an item which unlike all the heroes you hilariously wrongly describe as "0/low cast point" actually has 0 cast point. LC's grade A useless vs tinker.

Blademail LC is pretty solid against Tinker. Some catch-out potential and then punishes the hero later in the game. Not as good as Doom or whatever, but hey.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 03 2014 15:45 GMT
#127212
if pubs were more coordinated we would just start buliding 3 blademails against pub tinkers.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 03 2014 15:46 GMT
#127213
“now“, as if it didnt happen before. IceFrog has nerfed several heroes that didnt have gamebreaking winrates, or had aspects that were simply annoying, like Brood, Ursa, PL, Barathum... He may mess with Tinker, he may not, but it doesnt have to be exclusivelly because he is too strong or too weak.

People have this absurd tendency of thinking of nothing but balance, but patches in Dota have been less about balance and more about changing the game for ages. Go back to almost any old hero rework and you can find a change that was the result of a hero being “not fun“ or “not very interactive“.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 03 2014 15:49 GMT
#127214
When did he nerf Ursa? I must have missed that.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 15:50:47
September 03 2014 15:49 GMT
#127215
WTB pre-nerf bara (aka normal BAT non-channeling ult).
On September 04 2014 00:49 Acritter wrote:
When did he nerf Ursa? I must have missed that.

Overpower used to not use his cast point (similar to how his ult works atm).
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 03 2014 15:50 GMT
#127216
Ursa nerfs were quite a long time ago, before Dota 2 I think.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 03 2014 15:51 GMT
#127217
On September 04 2014 00:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
WTB pre-nerf bara (aka normal BAT non-channeling ult).
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 00:49 Acritter wrote:
When did he nerf Ursa? I must have missed that.

Overpower used to not use his cast point (similar to how his ult works atm).

He got other buffs beyond that.

I would say he's more viable than he was pre "nerf"
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 03 2014 15:51 GMT
#127218
Ursa? of course. Thats just the only nerf of relevance that occured in dota 2 times so I'm pointing it out.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 15:54:08
September 03 2014 15:52 GMT
#127219
On September 04 2014 00:51 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 00:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
WTB pre-nerf bara (aka normal BAT non-channeling ult).
On September 04 2014 00:49 Acritter wrote:
When did he nerf Ursa? I must have missed that.

Overpower used to not use his cast point (similar to how his ult works atm).

He got other buffs beyond that.

I would say he's more viable than he was pre "nerf"

There were two nerf patches, the one with the adition of the cast point to overpower, and the one where they added the cast point to overpower, at a point where he was messing a lot with it.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 15:53:32
September 03 2014 15:52 GMT
#127220
With the reduced cast time of earthshock as a trade-off i'd still argue that ursa is in a better spot now, but that might just be me.
Earthshock used to have an annoying cast time compared to what it is now.
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