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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 15 2011 16:59 GMT
#641
I'd rather listen to a Ret or Idra about ZvT than say...a Slasher or SirScoots who watches the game a ton but doesn't play it.

How difficult is it to do? Play the game before telling everyone.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 15 2011 16:59 GMT
#642
On November 16 2011 01:58 Kaiko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 01:56 ilovelings wrote:
Buy dagger with lion and earthshaker. Gank him. Stun lock him. Win the fight. How is that difficult to do?


The shortsightedness of this post gives me a headache. Wards, missing calls, map awareness are all things that don't take place in DotA.


He's going to say buy smoke, counterward, duh. It's so easy.
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ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
November 15 2011 17:01 GMT
#643
Because it is. People have been ganking each other since eternity. Why is it now difficult to do?

Gank him and you will be fine.
People is diying.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 17:04:50
November 15 2011 17:03 GMT
#644
On November 16 2011 01:56 ilovelings wrote:
Buy dagger with lion and earthshaker. Gank him. Stun lock him. Win the fight. How is that difficult to do?

once lion and es both have enough farm for blink daggers am has 75% magic resistance, a vanguard if he made it, or a bfury and they have to both use all of their spells to kill him, and he has to have a very bad team to support him and bad map awareness for that to happen anyway, but ofcouse lion and es with blink daggers can instagib a single hero at most of the game, but once he gets a bkb thats a different story


The farming ability depends on the player not the hero.


assuming the same farming skill
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 15 2011 17:05 GMT
#645
Any good AM will know when ES and Lion are missing from the map anyways, let alone when they have blink daggers and are missing from the map, and will have blinked back towards base or TP'd back to base way before then anyways, Smoke or not, wards or not.
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ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 17:06:44
November 15 2011 17:06 GMT
#646
On November 16 2011 02:03 cilinder007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 01:56 ilovelings wrote:
Buy dagger with lion and earthshaker. Gank him. Stun lock him. Win the fight. How is that difficult to do?

once lion and es both have enough farm for blink daggers am has 75% magic resistance, a vanguard if he made it, or a bfury and they have to both use all of their spells to kill him, and he has to have a very bad team to support him and bad map awareness for that to happen anyway, but ofcouse lion and es with blink daggers can instagib a single hero at most of the game, but once he gets a bkb thats a different story


How cannot you afford a dagger before the 12th minute mark?

My current dota2 record is 55 creeps in the first 10 minutes (and a kills). That's more than enough for dagger + wards + boots.

Why cant you acknowledge the fact that you are getting pubstomped?
People is diying.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 15 2011 17:13 GMT
#647
Lol 12 minute dagger my ass, if you're properly playing Lion or ES you're not going to steal all the farm from the semicarry/carry in your lane.

Stop with the subtle brags because nobody here actually thinks you're any good. You can try insulting the forum or throwing out these bullshit numbers but nobody knows or cares who you are unless you're playing and winning tournaments.
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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
November 15 2011 17:17 GMT
#648
On November 16 2011 02:06 ilovelings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 02:03 cilinder007 wrote:
On November 16 2011 01:56 ilovelings wrote:
Buy dagger with lion and earthshaker. Gank him. Stun lock him. Win the fight. How is that difficult to do?

once lion and es both have enough farm for blink daggers am has 75% magic resistance, a vanguard if he made it, or a bfury and they have to both use all of their spells to kill him, and he has to have a very bad team to support him and bad map awareness for that to happen anyway, but ofcouse lion and es with blink daggers can instagib a single hero at most of the game, but once he gets a bkb thats a different story


How cannot you afford a dagger before the 12th minute mark?

My current dota2 record is 55 creeps in the first 10 minutes (and a kills). That's more than enough for dagger + wards + boots.

Why cant you acknowledge the fact that you are getting pubstomped?

Oh Im sorry I didnt know we're talking about pubs, then yea sure get blink lion, get a mkb on him and a heart and manta and you can outcarry that am, he probably still trying to farm his bkb by then,y easy game bro
ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 17:18:45
November 15 2011 17:17 GMT
#649
On November 16 2011 02:13 Zlasher wrote:
Lol 12 minute dagger my ass, if you're properly playing Lion or ES you're not going to steal all the farm from the semicarry/carry in your lane.

Stop with the subtle brags because nobody here actually thinks you're any good. You can try insulting the forum or throwing out these bullshit numbers but nobody knows or cares who you are unless you're playing and winning tournaments.



Implying I did not . I used to be good back in the day when NA dota was good and nobody even knew CN dota existed. I got my ass handed so bad by so many people I just can't remember who did it.

Being unable to deal with an anti-mage is stupid.
People is diying.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
November 15 2011 17:20 GMT
#650
On November 16 2011 02:17 ilovelings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 02:13 Zlasher wrote:
Lol 12 minute dagger my ass, if you're properly playing Lion or ES you're not going to steal all the farm from the semicarry/carry in your lane.

Stop with the subtle brags because nobody here actually thinks you're any good. You can try insulting the forum or throwing out these bullshit numbers but nobody knows or cares who you are unless you're playing and winning tournaments.



Implying I did not . I used to be good back in the day when NA dota was good and nobody even knew CN dota existed. I got my ass handed so bad by so many people I just can't remember who did it.

Being unable to deal with an anti-mage is stupid.

than why is he the #1 ban and #1 pick in dota2 and has like a 80% winrate even in tournaments and even pro players say he's imbalanced as shit, but Im sure you nkow better
ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 17:26:33
November 15 2011 17:23 GMT
#651
On November 16 2011 02:20 cilinder007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 02:17 ilovelings wrote:
On November 16 2011 02:13 Zlasher wrote:
Lol 12 minute dagger my ass, if you're properly playing Lion or ES you're not going to steal all the farm from the semicarry/carry in your lane.

Stop with the subtle brags because nobody here actually thinks you're any good. You can try insulting the forum or throwing out these bullshit numbers but nobody knows or cares who you are unless you're playing and winning tournaments.



Implying I did not . I used to be good back in the day when NA dota was good and nobody even knew CN dota existed. I got my ass handed so bad by so many people I just can't remember who did it.

Being unable to deal with an anti-mage is stupid.

than why is he the #1 ban and #1 pick in dota2 and has like a 80% winrate even in tournaments and even pro players say he's imbalanced as shit, but Im sure you nkow better


I must admit the only tourney I watched was The International, and I don't remember it being a key to victory.

I just don't follow any pros because they are whinning bitches 50% of the time. Remember when SC2 was released? T was imba Zerg was imba and Protoss was imba.
People is diying.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 15 2011 17:27 GMT
#652
Once again, I play and talk with a few top players in the North American scene. Not only thta but there are plenty of public statements from top teams that have played in ESWC and The International, among other tournaments. Why would I mind what you say about AM when you're talking about a 12 minute dagger treads flying courier and constant warding, while not taking away the farm of your carries, over the over 80% win rate that AM has in tournaments, and probably even higher than that in matchmaking, as well as what all the pros publicly say.

AM can be stopped obviously, but in this current hero pool he's fucking retarded to try to stop relative to other carries.
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 17:32:32
November 15 2011 17:31 GMT
#653
Look, ilovelings, you're from Argentina, I know the scene there, it's not that impressive. It died when Metro- left the scene and even he wasn't that impressive. Chill.

Edit:

Yes, this is a rag on your skill level. You're playing with midskill at best in Argentina.
Get it by your hands...
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
November 15 2011 19:34 GMT
#654
On November 15 2011 16:55 Zlasher wrote:
Drow can fight AM if she is more farmed than him but AM farms much faster and much easier. Early and mid game AM will destroy Drow though, its so much easier to shut down a Drow with no real escape mechanisms compared to AM's 50% spell reduction and blink. Do you really think that she develops faster becuase thats something I absolutely disagree with.


Yes... her DPS growth totally outshines AM. Drow with treads+yasha around 10+ minutes is a far more dangerous threat than AM at that point in the game.
sinii
Profile Joined August 2010
England989 Posts
November 15 2011 19:42 GMT
#655
SO im totally new to Dota, only ever played some LoL. I openly admitted this in my beta survey thingy but still got an invite last night.

So far I have just played some bot games to try to get into it, however the different item system and the various differences is allot to get your head around at first.

Would you suggest I hammer out practice bot games for a long time? Or just dig straight into multiplayer and in all likeliness drag some games down with poor play?

Got to start somewhere right? :<
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
November 15 2011 19:44 GMT
#656
On November 15 2011 17:26 Ognam wrote:
Bloodseeker and Drow both lose to AM because he simply outfarms both of them. They also both lose to him in straight up fights unless they can gain more farm than him, which just doesn't happen. Basically nobody in the current pool beats AM on equal farm, aside from MAYBE void, unless they outfarm him, and nobody outfarms AM, therefore he's pretty broken without a full team of 5 focused on beating him.

Neither Drow nor Bloodseeker have tools to survive ganks, which is why you almost never see them at higher level play.


Why this talk about needing to outfarm AM with bloodseeker? I don't know about you, but I personally hate carry bloodseeker. I play him almost exclusively as a semicarry/ganker, in the vein of night stalker, abusing the low cooldown of rupture. BS's skillset just makes farming as an AM incredibly difficult, even moreso than a blink lion imo (you don't need to wait for 2150 gold, and because BS can reliably chase if the AM manages to blink out of a gank attempt, while the lion is left with no recourse).
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
November 15 2011 19:48 GMT
#657
It really depends on what you want to practice. If you want to get a feel for the skills and attack animations, you can go into even go into practice game without bots. Playing matchmaking is probably better imo since you might meet up with someone nice who can teach you something. Bot games depend on your ability to learn stuff playing by yourself.
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eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 19:54:30
November 15 2011 19:48 GMT
#658
On November 16 2011 04:42 sinii wrote:
SO im totally new to Dota, only ever played some LoL. I openly admitted this in my beta survey thingy but still got an invite last night.

So far I have just played some bot games to try to get into it, however the different item system and the various differences is allot to get your head around at first.

Would you suggest I hammer out practice bot games for a long time? Or just dig straight into multiplayer and in all likeliness drag some games down with poor play?

Got to start somewhere right? :<

Pick a hero to play, and play a few bot games with it. I suggest lich, cause lich is a really simple hero, i mean it's hard to mess up with lich, so he's a good hero to start out with.

Even though this is a DOTA 1 guide, i think it will be quite helpful to read a guide like this one: http://www.playdota.com/guides/without-a-trace-of-warmth

You can look up the guide for any of the other heros here: http://www.playdota.com/guides

Have fun!

EDIT: Oh you probably aren't familiar with dota 1 items, you can see what they are here: http://www.playdota.com/items
EDIT 2: Actually you are better off just reading this: http://www.playdota.com/guides/welcome-to-dota-you-suck
Obviously skip the stuff that has to do with warcraft 3 dota, (except controls)
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 15 2011 19:54 GMT
#659
I guess I worded/read it wrong. She does grow under free farm faster than AM I suppose, but she's so much easier to stop from farming early on than AM, throughout the whole game really, AM is always safer to escape and survive ganks. But yeah she does grow DPS wise faster.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 15 2011 19:55 GMT
#660
Oh and this is my guide of choice if you come from HoN

http://www.dota2reference.com/

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