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Netherlands45349 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:05 Jitsu wrote:
Lol Flame. I read the Anti-Mage guide. Is he really that hard to counter in the game right now?
I am a huge fan of Clockwork myself, really love that hero. But my true guy is N'aix. Can't wait to see what he looks like when comes out. ^.^
He doesn't die due to his passive and blink
Once he has BF up he can farm incredibly fast due to blink
He deals tremendous amount of damage
Doom bringer works against him though.
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The main issue with Doombringer, is that he has absolutely no base armor, and would die incredibly fast to AM. He also has the unfortunate issue of losing to every single solo mid in the current meta game. So the only way doom counters AM is the doom skill itself, the damage is negligible due to his passive spell resistance. If AM simply blinks + manta's, your basically fucked. And its easy for the AM to just wait once the fight starts, then force you to blow doom aerly, then you blink in and pew pew. or he just waits, kites with manta, and your fucked anyways.
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Doom just doesn't work that well though since he loses mid to a lot of mids in the pool.
AM is just dumb as fuck right now since he doesn't really die with that stupid ass spell shield and 5 second cooldown blink. Once he gets bfury he's basically done since you can't really mid/late gank him with the maxed spell sheild and blink, and therefore has insanely easy farm to get manta, bkb, or butterfly.
And once thats done its just game over. I don't know the win rate in beta of AM but it has to be like 80+% just given how instant win it becomes after like 40 minutes with him. Doom isn't a proper counter unless the AM team's mid is absolutely retarded.
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AM is really hard to kill. Not enough viable counters in Dota 2 that can beat him down before he can get farmed so he can just run around and farm all day, and even then he's still a damn good hero. Void and Spectre probably the only heroes that can really "counter" him late game but well both of them take relatively forever to get to a strong point while AM has much much more usefulness early on and farms at a much much more awesome rate.
Doombringer is a weak hero atm: he works best as solo but his laning is crap due to his 0 base armor. You just get harassed so badly early because you can't do much until level 5, all you do is just sit back and Devour until then, and then basically he's just a ganker more than carry.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Maxing Spell Shield by 7 is incredibly, incredibly strong. At level 7, with one level in Blink, one level in Break, one level in Void, and four in Spell Shield you're almost unkillable. I've had teams of four unload all nukes on my head and been able to Blink away.
Silences are still killer though. I'd say Bloodseeker is a good choice against Anti-Mage. Take one level in Silence, as many as you can into Thirst, and after getting Rupture go to town on him. Of course, later on you're just completely outclassed because silencing with the damage increase is akin to impaling yourself on two mana-burning poles. Slardar is also a decent choice, since Amplify Damage really hurts on AM's health pool. Of course, it's almost impossible for Slardar to solo kill AM, but with a second stunner it's quite easy. Early-game Night Stalker as well, but then again what heroes does Night Stalker not kill during Night 1?
Need Syllabear, Shadow Demon, and Destroyer in the game. Seriously.
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Yeah, if I'm feeling lazy, AM is just too solid of a pick. I still haven't lost a game with him after playing around 20 games total (~5 with him). I don't ever even find myself needing a BF, tbh, because his animation is so insane.
My build has been vanguard->treads->manta then either basher or butterfly.
He is also pretty nasty against the other pub-steamroller, Skeleton King, because you can burn his ulti down so easily.
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Lycan and CK can also be fairly handy against AM, neither of which are currently in the hero pool.
Lycan can simply farm so incredibly fast if left alone, and with a minimal amount of disable and his ulti he just rips through AM with physical DPS.
CK can in some way do the same, if he lands a good 4 sec stun :D
Competitatively another reason is that some of the heroes used in some push-lineups are still not in the pool:
Undying, Lycan, Sylla.
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They just need to go straight for the things that stop AM because this is pretty out of hand, OD Invoker SD next patch please.
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I find both bloodseeker and drow work alright against AM. Bloodrage makes ganking him a breeze, and rupture (pure damage, remember) neutralizes a lot of his dps in teamfights (now if only he'd take damage from blinking like in dota1). Drow just develops far faster than him (particularly if you go new school stats/aura build and stick her in a solo lane).
Both of them can solo-kill him without much issue, while he's still trying to put his core together.
Coincidentally, they work pretty well against Weaver too.
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Drow can fight AM if she is more farmed than him but AM farms much faster and much easier. Early and mid game AM will destroy Drow though, its so much easier to shut down a Drow with no real escape mechanisms compared to AM's 50% spell reduction and blink. Do you really think that she develops faster becuase thats something I absolutely disagree with.
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Bloodseeker and Drow both lose to AM because he simply outfarms both of them. They also both lose to him in straight up fights unless they can gain more farm than him, which just doesn't happen. Basically nobody in the current pool beats AM on equal farm, aside from MAYBE void, unless they outfarm him, and nobody outfarms AM, therefore he's pretty broken without a full team of 5 focused on beating him.
Neither Drow nor Bloodseeker have tools to survive ganks, which is why you almost never see them at higher level play.
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I think Spectre might be the only hero that can 'beat' AM but he doesn't really lol, because once again, he doesn't farm as easy as AM does.
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bat doom lion drow spectre off the top of my head from the current dota2 hero pool
are all heroes that work wonders against AM, especially the idiots in beta who do the same mana burn blink build every game 
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On November 15 2011 18:51 Mikey wrote:bat doom lion drow spectre off the top of my head from the current dota2 hero pool are all heroes that work wonders against AM, especially the idiots in beta who do the same mana burn blink build every game
doom isnt that good against am, neither is lion and spectre gets farm too slowly, but everything works in pubs...
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doom is fine against AM, you don't have to solo doom to get effective play out of the hero. lion with dagger is great vs AM, spectre farms at the same rate as anti mage in high level play. unlike you, i'm not talking about pubs in the slightest.
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On November 15 2011 19:04 Mikey wrote:
doom is fine against AM, you don't have to solo doom to get effective play out of the hero. lion with dagger is great vs AM, spectre farms at the same rate as anti mage in high level play. unlike you, i'm not talking about pubs in the slightest.
In what world does in high level play spectre farm at the same rate as am, Im sorry but that is so wrong I dont even want to repond to the rest of your post...
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I could flame you, and tell you to stop being awful, but I won't!
Spectre farms at the same rate as anti mage, easily. Just because anti mage has blink doesn't make him anymore viable then spectre in the sense of farming ability. Nothing more needs to be said :D
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On November 15 2011 21:42 Mikey wrote:
I could flame you, and tell you to stop being awful, but I won't!
Spectre farms at the same rate as anti mage, easily. Just because anti mage has blink doesn't make him anymore viable then spectre in the sense of farming ability. Nothing more needs to be said :D
ok, first off a core item on am is a bfury these days, meaning he can clear out creep waves faster than a spectre with radiance, secondly he has a higher ms so he can get to the creeps faster, third yes blink matters a lot since he can blink around in the jungle and clear it out a lot faster than spectre
and he has a much better attacks animation and a lower BAT, yes he's more viable then spectre in sense of farming
you make absolutely no argument except that Im awfull, nice arguing..
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spectre has the advantage of being able to be at a different lane then the entire other team, then tping in for team fights..late game its frustrating, as it forces you to decisively push.
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I remember playing against a team that pretty much went "Team Global" back in an open league on BNet. Furion/Spectre/Zeus. Team got roflstomped and conceded fairly fast. So much annoying mindfuckiness.
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