General Discussion - Page 287

Shuriken Toss
100-200-250-325

90-115-135-155

Jinada
1.5-1.75-2-2.25
12-10-8-6

windwalk
30-60-90-120

damage: 45-59
+3 damage per level

Therefore, at level 6 without items you do 60-74 damage per physical hit.

We will compare level 6 Bounty Hunter wielding 3-1-1-1 distribution and 1-3-1-1 distribution.

When ganking, the normal path you take is Windwalk - attack (Jinada) - normal attacks + Shuriken to finish.

You get bonus damage from Windwalk. At level 1, Windwalk grants a bonus +30 damage. Therefore, assuming you have no items at level 6 you will have a base of 90-104 damage per hit, averaging 97 just to be simple.

With level 1 Jinada (1.5x), you'll deal 146 damage reduced by armor reduction, and then it'll cost you 135 mana to throw a 250 damage Shuriken, reduced to 188 damage after innate magic reduction.

Let's just simplify by saying the armor of a hero you're attacking is 5 (which is far above average and generous), which means a 23% physical reduction, so you deal 112 damage with your level 1 Jinada+Windwalk-breaking hit.

Therefore, the Jinada level 1 hit + Shuriken level 3 hit deals 188 + 112 = 300 damage.

Now let's look at when Jinada is level 3 and Shuriken is level 1.

Jinada at level 3 is a 2x multiplier. Therefore, you deal 194 damage reduced by 23%, or 149 damage with your physical hit. Level 1 Shuriken deals 100 damage, reduced to 75. Therefore, the 1-3-1-1 distribution deals 224 damage.

Though these numbers show that 3-1-1-1 deals more damage than 1-3-1-1, note there are several factors not yet taken into consideration:

1) My math takes no items into account. The items you generally build on Gondar (PMS, Phase/Treads, Drums) add damage. That damage scales into the critical hit.
2) The manacost from Shuriken Toss increases heavily from level 1-3, while the cooldown stays the same.
3) Jinada cooldown is reduced from 12 to 8 when leveled from 1 to 3, meaning you have a higher chance of using it twice in a gank/chase.
4) As said before, 23% reduction (5 armor) at the point where you (as BH) are 6 is very generous. Most heroes will have lower armor, and the lower the armor, the better Jinada is.

However, I argue that 2-2-1-1 (meaning 2 in Shuriken and Jinada and 1 in Windwalk and Track) is better than both of these.

Shuriken damage increases from 100 to 200 from level 1 to 2. Jinada critical increases from 1.5 to 1.75.

Using the same numbers as before, your windwalk-breaking Jinada hit crits for 170 damage, reduced to 131 by an enemy armor of 5. Shuriken hits for 150 after reductions. Total damage from this is 281, which is still (barely) less than the 300 from 3-1-1-1.

However, note that you save 20 mana from throwing a 2-point Shuriken over a 3-point Shuriken, and that mana may be needed for a Windwalk. The cooldown and enhancement on the critical strike coupled with minus armor means a potential second Jinada hit is both more likely and deals more damage than it would with a 1-point Jinada hit.

Overall, 2-2-1-1 over 3-1-1-1 saves you mana and lowers the cooldown on Jinada by 2 seconds (16.7%) while dealing less than 20 damage less.