On March 22 2012 03:33 MrCon wrote: I don't understand the reasoning behind linken being standard on morphling. I mean, all his skills are escape mechanisms basically. Why it's standard on him and not on comparable heroes which don't even have half his escape power ?
the regen, he has a spell called morph that helps him tank (most) spells when he wants to, so unless he's getting mega disabled in teamfights he can get by with linkens and its excellent regen properties. previously urn and medallion would just own that item but not so anymore in the latest patch.
On March 22 2012 03:33 MrCon wrote: I don't understand the reasoning behind linken being standard on morphling. I mean, all his skills are escape mechanisms basically. Why it's standard on him and not on comparable heroes which don't even have half his escape power ?
the regen, he has a spell called morph that helps him tank (most) spells when he wants to, so unless he's getting mega disabled in teamfights he can get by with linkens and its excellent regen properties. previously urn and medallion would just own that item but not so anymore in the latest patch.
It also gives both strength and agility so he has more options as far as which direction he wishes to morph towards.
On March 22 2012 03:33 MrCon wrote: I don't understand the reasoning behind linken being standard on morphling. I mean, all his skills are escape mechanisms basically. Why it's standard on him and not on comparable heroes which don't even have half his escape power ?
the regen, he has a spell called morph that helps him tank (most) spells when he wants to, so unless he's getting mega disabled in teamfights he can get by with linkens and its excellent regen properties. previously urn and medallion would just own that item but not so anymore in the latest patch.
It also gives both strength and agility so he has more options as far as which direction he wishes to morph towards.
while its true he does get more stats, the main point is to be able to shrug off initiation disables. the alternative is BKB which people get for more extreme situations or playing from behind. it's not so much the stats but the fact that you can get away with split pushing a lot easier with items that help you not get disabled since you can just replicate/tp/run away while morphing to strength
On March 22 2012 03:33 MrCon wrote: I don't understand the reasoning behind linken being standard on morphling. I mean, all his skills are escape mechanisms basically. Why it's standard on him and not on comparable heroes which don't even have half his escape power ?
The HP regen is good for staying in lane, the MP regen is great for his waveform/morph. He is also the hero that benefits the most from items that give +x to all stats (until he has sufficient mana, and until he runs out of his str buffer), so the ultimate orb provides pretty good value in itself. And with Linkens he won't be surprise stunned from a Mirana arrow or a blink stunner, so he will always have time to use Morph to practically heal himself for 150 HP/sec (you can't activate Morph while stunned, but it works while stunned if you activate it before getting stunned), or to replicate away.
On March 22 2012 03:33 MrCon wrote: I don't understand the reasoning behind linken being standard on morphling. I mean, all his skills are escape mechanisms basically. Why it's standard on him and not on comparable heroes which don't even have half his escape power ?
He is also the hero that benefits the most from items that give +x to all stats (until he has sufficient mana, and until he runs out of his str buffer), so the ultimate orb provides pretty good value in itself.
Why do you say that +X to all stats benefits morph more than any other hero?
On March 22 2012 03:59 Kipsate wrote: Because he can change the stats from agi to str or from str to agi at will.
Only your base stats. You can't morph itemized Agi/Str.
Morphling does make full use of all 3 stats (there are a lot of Str/Agi heroes that pass a point where they don't need more mana, and there are a lot of Int heroes that don't need IAS from Agi). But he's also not the only hero to do so.
On March 22 2012 03:59 Kipsate wrote: Because he can change the stats from agi to str or from str to agi at will.
Only your base stats. You can't morph itemized Agi/Str.
No, but it allows you to morph more of your base stats, if he gets +10 str he can morph +10 str from his base stats to agility, there is obviously a limit too it though.
On March 22 2012 04:07 Kipsate wrote: No, but it allows you to morph more of your base stats, if he gets +10 str he can morph +10 str from his base stats to agility, there is obviously a limit too it though.
Yes, but that doesn't need to be *stats*.
For the purpose of Morph, there's no reason that having Strength is better than having HP. Strength isn't inherently a better stat for Morphling just because of Morph.
Getting 10 agi and 10 strenght with an ultimate orb is 2100(let's ignore the int for a sec) and getting 20 of either would be something similar in cost(varies depending on how you get it) and linits your possibilities at the same time.
Anyway, the hero that gets the most out of +X to all stats is medusa
On March 22 2012 04:07 Kipsate wrote: No, but it allows you to morph more of your base stats, if he gets +10 str he can morph +10 str from his base stats to agility, there is obviously a limit too it though.
Yes, but that doesn't need to be *stats*.
For the purpose of Morph, there's no reason that having Strength is better than having HP. Strength isn't inherently a better stat for Morphling just because of Morph.
Ok... But an ultimate orb doesn't give HP, and no one has mentioned that, so I have no idea why you bring it up. Armor/magic resistance is also better on Morphling. Does that invalidate what I say about +x to all stats is better on Morphling than on any other hero? Nope.
And yes, strength is a better stat for Morphling than other heroes precisely because of Morph. If you could buy Power Treads on Spectre that give +10 str and you can't change it into agi, would you rather do that than buy the sort that can be changed into agi? Would you say the latter sort is better? If you do, then I don't see why you can't agree that str is better on Morph than on other agi heroes.
And for those saying that Morphling can't morph stats from items... I already mention that in my first post. I said he has a buffer from which he can morph so up to a certain point where he runs out of base str/agi there is no difference from actually morphing stats from items.
Also, when I said an ultimate orb is better for him than for any other hero, I also meant the int which he needs desperately.
Morphling needs a defensive item, which supplies +manapool, and +mana regen. Linkens is the only option in the pool of choices. Since he has two high-damage spammable spells, and a 3rd "Morph" which is high usage of mana. A unique hero, which is not so dependant on +damage items since he can morph all his stats into Agility, he just needs regen + a defensive item to always stay in the fray and just smash people.
**Hypothetical** Imagine if Anti-Mage got remade/nerfed, Mana Break costs 10 mana a swing(Only applies when attacking to Heroes), Blink costs +40 mana (up to 100 as Morphling), and his Aura changed to 50% effectiveness, with an on use which brings it to 100% (current) effectiveness, for a mana cost to maintain.
His defense+offensive would be dependant on his mana at this point. BFury+Vlads +Manta or Linkens + Manta + Vlads would be the new standard. (Probably Linkens -->)
I'm curious, other than Morphling, who Linken is really good on? I realize it's a situational item, much like many items are -- but I see so many people saying Linkens is so good on Morph and I was wondering if there was anyone else? It's such an interesting item and I'm just wondering why it isn't used far more often.
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