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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 19 2012 15:54 GMT
#5041
On March 19 2012 23:29 Numy wrote:
I've been considering bat for awhile but I can't seem to get the hang of how to play him in mid. Does anyone have tips or a vid showing off some batrider play? I know the whole napalm and own him if he gets certain number of stacks but it's hard to do that if you pushing the lane which is kinda needed to deny rune control I think?

can't really find any really helpful videos (fp vod) for some reason... the 2009 starts out with boots first (since he has random gold) and his mid opponent is late to the lane, not really an accurate way of winning the lane :/

the beginning part is a few tips, creep pushing, and jungling, most of which you wont understand since its all in chinese. 2nd part is a pub. just keep in mind how he uses napalm, when he decides to go in, and back out with firefly (duration is important), and how he flanks for position

i havent used batrider since his new flamebreak so dunno how it works really.



fyi after batriders initial nerfs, americans (notably gdt taku) were the first to mess around with him extensively in competitive dota and was used off and on by euros. chinese didnt pick him up as a semi mainstay until way later.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 19 2012 16:02 GMT
#5042
On March 20 2012 00:54 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 23:29 Numy wrote:
I've been considering bat for awhile but I can't seem to get the hang of how to play him in mid. Does anyone have tips or a vid showing off some batrider play? I know the whole napalm and own him if he gets certain number of stacks but it's hard to do that if you pushing the lane which is kinda needed to deny rune control I think?

can't really find any really helpful videos (fp vod) for some reason... the 2009 starts out with boots first (since he has random gold) and his mid opponent is late to the lane, not really an accurate way of winning the lane :/

the beginning part is a few tips, creep pushing, and jungling, most of which you wont understand since its all in chinese. 2nd part is a pub. just keep in mind how he uses napalm, when he decides to go in, and back out with firefly (duration is important), and how he flanks for position
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7FW08S_uAA
i havent used batrider since his new flamebreak so dunno how it works really.



fyi after batriders initial nerfs, americans (notably gdt taku) were the first to mess around with him extensively in competitive dota and was used off and on by euros. chinese didnt pick him up as a semi mainstay until way later.

its just instead of projectile, its an AoE spell... the projectile is now going through EVERYTHING instead of hitting anything it touch. Kinda like a reverse vacuum if you think of it...

a bat game going on right now on HyHy stream :D
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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 16:07:08
March 19 2012 16:04 GMT
#5043
Really fun watching hyhy(mym) scrimming with all the asian teams.

Seems like with the influx of the chinese, many asian teams are re-motivated.

anyone knows exactly who they are playing against now? the whole CLC team?

I saw Awoke and dgc. Is the tinker dai?
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
March 19 2012 16:15 GMT
#5044
On March 20 2012 00:52 NB wrote:
hmmm, i forgot to ask this yesterday but i was playing as AA, eul myself before the pudge hook me, while the eul going up the hook made contact and the hook Killed the cyclone and i got hook.... isnt it supposed to be pudge hook the cyclone instead of killing it?


Sounds like a bug to me......you can't hook or kill a cyclone. His hook should just pass through it.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
March 19 2012 16:25 GMT
#5045
On March 20 2012 01:04 dtz wrote:

I saw Awoke and dgc. Is the tinker dai?

yes
anathema131
Profile Joined March 2011
United States9 Posts
March 19 2012 16:29 GMT
#5046
I think that one of the things that really seperates Dota from LoL is Hero design.

I've played LoL pretty exstensively now and I've watched Riot come out with MANY Champions. What you begin to realize, after a while, is that every Champion released by Riot are just pigeonholed into a role and that every Champion in a certain role plays exactly the same. Ashe plays just like Tristana, Tristana plays just like Graves, Graves plays just like Caitlyn, etcetera. They all build the same items, they all have the same role in team fights, and they all go bottom lane with a support.
When Riot starts building a Champion, they decide what role they want that Champion to fit in to, then they make abilities that fit into that role. They are aware of what the current metagame is and they are making Champions that fit into that metagame. This really stifles any creativity that one can have in team composition or style of play.

Icefrog and his team do an amazing job of NOT pigeonholing their Heroes into a role. Let's take the most obvious example, Windrunner: Windrunner can be played in any role, she can be played in any lane, and she can make use of a multitude of different items. Windrunner allows the team an amazing amount of flexibility and creativity.
Windrunner isn't the only example either, almost every Hero in the game can fit into several different roles and can go to several different lanes. This gives the game so much more complexity, allows a it to have a constantly changing metagame, and allows actual variety in Hero builds. Just watch ONE Na'vi game and you'll understand how many different and interesting things you can do with one character.

There are many other things that separate the two games such as added mechanical difficulty (Chen, Invoker, Force Staff, juking) or faster moving Heroes (or more zoomed in camera, depending on your perspective); but I really feel like a huge part of why Dota is a more interesting and competitive game is the amazingly well designed Heroes.
"I am a human mother fucking being. over dope ass instrumentation." - Kendrick Lamar
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 19 2012 16:32 GMT
#5047
On March 19 2012 19:13 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Just had a game where we were down 2 rax, opponent were overconfident as hell (gave ES aegis twice).

Tiny says "hey, we can throne them ez actually", we proceed to pick off Tinker, ES and BH walk into a black hole and we throne them in under 30s.

If Sing often says 'LIGHTOFHEAVEN!' after a shackle, does that mean we just Dendi'd them?



when sing says 'lightofheaven' after a shackles he's referring to NaVi.LightofHeaven, who he considers the best WR in dota 2.
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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 16:40:32
March 19 2012 16:36 GMT
#5048
On March 20 2012 01:32 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 19:13 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Just had a game where we were down 2 rax, opponent were overconfident as hell (gave ES aegis twice).

Tiny says "hey, we can throne them ez actually", we proceed to pick off Tinker, ES and BH walk into a black hole and we throne them in under 30s.

If Sing often says 'LIGHTOFHEAVEN!' after a shackle, does that mean we just Dendi'd them?



when sing says 'lightofheaven' after a shackles he's referring to NaVi.LightofHeaven, who he considers the best WR in dota 2.


which is funny because when a Navi WR ( LoH or Dendi) landed a 2 man shackleshot they shouted Tulex!

LongDD standing in for MYM now.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 16:48:56
March 19 2012 16:48 GMT
#5049
here is how 2 batrider

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 19 2012 17:03 GMT
#5050
Did I just see 11 stacks...
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 19 2012 17:19 GMT
#5051
rofl that gif is gold.
WriterXiao8~~
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 19 2012 17:21 GMT
#5052
On March 20 2012 02:03 flamewheel wrote:
Did I just see 11 stacks...

13. cemented 830GOD as the joke of LGD for some time.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
March 19 2012 17:27 GMT
#5053
On March 19 2012 20:48 rabidch wrote:
after a great reception to the first showing...!



gahahaha

This hero makes me laugh so much.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 19 2012 17:58 GMT
#5054
Rofl 13 stacks, does Lich even move at that point or does he drift backwards from the direction he clicks
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 19 2012 18:05 GMT
#5055
On March 20 2012 02:58 Zlasher wrote:
Rofl 13 stacks, does Lich even move at that point or does he drift backwards from the direction he clicks

13*7% (level 3) = 91% slow, i believe thats 100 movespeed (slowest you can have)
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 19 2012 18:41 GMT
#5056
it only stacks 10 times, tho the numerical indicator does more
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 18:54:04
March 19 2012 18:51 GMT
#5057
On March 20 2012 01:36 dtz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 01:32 crms wrote:
On March 19 2012 19:13 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Just had a game where we were down 2 rax, opponent were overconfident as hell (gave ES aegis twice).

Tiny says "hey, we can throne them ez actually", we proceed to pick off Tinker, ES and BH walk into a black hole and we throne them in under 30s.

If Sing often says 'LIGHTOFHEAVEN!' after a shackle, does that mean we just Dendi'd them?



when sing says 'lightofheaven' after a shackles he's referring to NaVi.LightofHeaven, who he considers the best WR in dota 2.


which is funny because when a Navi WR ( LoH or Dendi) landed a 2 man shackleshot they shouted Tulex!

LongDD standing in for MYM now.


I've heard them shout "YAPHETS YAPHETS MISERY!" on loing range arrow hits too

Oh, and a single "YAPHETS!" on ward traps
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 19 2012 18:58 GMT
#5058
On March 20 2012 03:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
it only stacks 10 times, tho the numerical indicator does more


Does the damage increase still keep going past 10? Or does all of the move speed, turn speed, and damage increase cap at 10?
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 19 2012 19:53 GMT
#5059
On March 20 2012 03:05 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 02:58 Zlasher wrote:
Rofl 13 stacks, does Lich even move at that point or does he drift backwards from the direction he clicks

13*7% (level 3) = 91% slow, i believe thats 100 movespeed (slowest you can have)

my friend still ask me how the fuck ice wall from invoker could slow people more than 100% =)) he is from LoL
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 19 2012 20:14 GMT
#5060
Speaking of ice wall, some of invokers spells go through BKB/Naix Rage like Ice Wall and Deafening blast. Is this supposed to be the case?
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